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  • The Greatest Obstacle

    So I'm hoping that this can be an informative and polite discussion to loosen the tension from the past few discussions/debates we've all had. If the thread jumps into a tangent, I'll understand, but I'm really hoping to keep it to the OP.

    What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
    I'm not asking for reams of dogmas or lists of Scripture as arguments, I just want to know what is the single greatest challenge. Is it the Church's teaching on the Eucharist? Is it on the relationship between faith and works? Mary? Etc.

    (And no, I would prefer if you didn't just say "Yep, all of it". I really want to know if there's a single obstacle that, if the rest were understood and explained, this particular one would keep you from the Church).

    Please and thank you!
    “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales


  • #2
    Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
    So I'm hoping that this can be an informative and polite discussion to loosen the tension from the past few discussions/debates we've all had. If the thread jumps into a tangent, I'll understand, but I'm really hoping to keep it to the OP.

    What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
    I'm not asking for reams of dogmas or lists of Scripture as arguments, I just want to know what is the single greatest challenge. Is it the Church's teaching on the Eucharist? Is it on the relationship between faith and works? Mary? Etc.

    (And no, I would prefer if you didn't just say "Yep, all of it". I really want to know if there's a single obstacle that, if the rest were understood and explained, this particular one would keep you from the Church).

    Please and thank you!
    IF this thread does instantly jump into tangents, and you can't get a simple straight answer, I think you'll have your answer: they won't take instruction from anyone but number one - the interior Trinity - me, myself and I.
    ... For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed;...
    But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (Rom 13)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
      So I'm hoping that this can be an informative and polite discussion to loosen the tension from the past few discussions/debates we've all had. If the thread jumps into a tangent, I'll understand, but I'm really hoping to keep it to the OP.
      Thank- You

      Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
      What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
      I'm not asking for reams of dogmas or lists of Scripture as arguments, I just want to know what is the single greatest challenge. Is it the Church's teaching on the Eucharist? Is it on the relationship between faith and works? Mary? Etc.

      (And no, I would prefer if you didn't just say "Yep, all of it". I really want to know if there's a single obstacle that, if the rest were understood and explained, this particular one would keep you from the Church).

      Please and thank you!
      This


      Beth = house
      sadia = a worthless type of fish that fishermen
      "cast away" when seperating the catch

      Bethsaida;
      a worthless house of fish

      Mark 8:22
      And he cometh to Bethsaida;
      and they bring a blind man unto him,
      and besought him to touch him.


      #1: And he took the blind man by the hand,
      #2: and led him out of the town;
      #3: and when he had spit on his eyes,
      #4: and put his hands upon him,
      now Christ asks the blind man
      he asked him if he saw ought.

      24 And he (the Blind man) looked up, and said,
      Nope; I see men as big as trees, walking
      I see men as trees, walking.

      The 2nd touch
      25
      After that he put his hands again upon his eyes,
      now he is cured
      and made him look up: and he was restored,
      and
      saw every man clearly.

      26 And he sent him away to his house,
      saying,

      #1: Neither go into the town,
      #2: nor tell it to any in the town.

      Why would any one healed by Christ
      want to
      go into that Worthless house of Fish
      ----- or ---------
      Retrurn Home too Rome
      Last edited by Blackie-USMC; 08-09-18, 06:47 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
        So I'm hoping that this can be an informative and polite discussion to loosen the tension from the past few discussions/debates we've all had. If the thread jumps into a tangent, I'll understand, but I'm really hoping to keep it to the OP.

        What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
        I'm not asking for reams of dogmas or lists of Scripture as arguments, I just want to know what is the single greatest challenge. Is it the Church's teaching on the Eucharist? Is it on the relationship between faith and works? Mary? Etc.

        (And no, I would prefer if you didn't just say "Yep, all of it". I really want to know if there's a single obstacle that, if the rest were understood and explained, this particular one would keep you from the Church).

        Please and thank you!
        Simply put. Rome has another Gospel. Rome condemned itself with their teaching of justification at Trent. If you don't have the Gospel right it doesn't matter what else is taught. Galatians 1:6-9. I post here very little anymore and all you have to look at is the ridiculous comment from Thomas that shows how utterly unserious Catholics on here really are.
        Last edited by TimXrc; 08-09-18, 06:43 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
          ...
          What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
          Neither scripture, Jesus, or his apostles taught two sinless mediators and advocates; one of which is titled with capital letters, the other not so.
          1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
            So I'm hoping that this can be an informative and polite discussion to loosen the tension from the past few discussions/debates we've all had. If the thread jumps into a tangent, I'll understand, but I'm really hoping to keep it to the OP.

            What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
            I'm not asking for reams of dogmas or lists of Scripture as arguments, I just want to know what is the single greatest challenge. Is it the Church's teaching on the Eucharist? Is it on the relationship between faith and works? Mary? Etc.

            (And no, I would prefer if you didn't just say "Yep, all of it". I really want to know if there's a single obstacle that, if the rest were understood and explained, this particular one would keep you from the Church).

            Please and thank you!
            The Catholic church does not teach the Gospel Message but the thing that turns me off the most is their refusal to accept other Christians to partake

            in their Eucharist. The NT never approves such an bad unchristian attitude. Jesus said "Come unto me, All of you." But your church

            only accepts those on the membership rolls. Making up dogmas never taught in the NT turns me off too. Jesus specifically condemned making

            up more commandments.

            JohnR

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            • #7
              Originally posted by highrigger View Post

              The Catholic church does not teach the Gospel Message but the thing that turns me off the most is their refusal to accept other Christians to partake in their Eucharist.
              Why would you want to commune with people who do not profess the Gospel?

              Oh that's right ... according to you, that doesn't matter in your ecclesial community
              Though the godless poured poison in to your veins, your heart still beats with love for Christ,
              O bishop Theodore, martyred father, who now raise your prayers before the Throne of God.

              [Kontakion of Blessed Theodore (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by highrigger View Post

                The Catholic church does not teach the Gospel Message but the thing that turns me off the most is their refusal to accept other Christians to partake

                in their Eucharist. The NT never approves such an bad unchristian attitude. Jesus said "Come unto me, All of you." But your church

                only accepts those on the membership rolls. Making up dogmas never taught in the NT turns me off too. Jesus specifically condemned making

                up more commandments.

                JohnR
                You are not even a Christian. You are a pagan. You deny the Divinity of the Second Person of the most Holy Trinity, Jesus Christ. You deny His bodily Resurrection. You deny miracles and the supernatural. You are a Naturalist and a Humanist.

                I don't even know what you are doing in this sub forum pretending to be Christian when you are not. Go back to your Atheist/Agnostic/Secular Humanist sub forum and hang out with your fellow pagans and quit pretending to be Christian when you are not.
                "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
                  What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
                  The truth.

                  This is really like a smoker asking me what is my greatest obstacle to picking up smoking. It makes no sense to me.

                  It is not like there is just one big thing in the way or otherwise I would be Catholic....as if I have any desire to be Roman Catholic again at all. Devout Catholics have this really disturbing notion that everyone really wants to be a Roman Catholic, but just cannot bring themselves to do so because of this issue or that issue.

                  I have had gay men ask me a similar question. Like I said: disturbing.

                  ...
                  "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Thomas View Post
                    IF this thread does instantly jump into tangents, and you can't get a simple straight answer, I think you'll have your answer: they won't take instruction from anyone but number one - the interior Trinity - me, myself and I.
                    You attack others before anyone even has a chance to reply!

                    LOL.

                    The Catholic way on display!

                    ...
                    "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                      You attack others before anyone even has a chance to reply!

                      LOL.

                      The Catholic way on display!

                      ...
                      Amazing

                      Goats love their tea!

                      Strong's #3982

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                      • #12
                        I think the greatest obstacle for many Evangelical posters here is the HATE they have in their hearts towards Catholicism. I can produce quotes of them admitting that their heart is full of HATE towards Catholicism.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
                          So I'm hoping that this can be an informative and polite discussion to loosen the tension from the past few discussions/debates we've all had. If the thread jumps into a tangent, I'll understand, but I'm really hoping to keep it to the OP.

                          What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
                          I'm not asking for reams of dogmas or lists of Scripture as arguments, I just want to know what is the single greatest challenge. Is it the Church's teaching on the Eucharist? Is it on the relationship between faith and works? Mary? Etc.

                          (And no, I would prefer if you didn't just say "Yep, all of it". I really want to know if there's a single obstacle that, if the rest were understood and explained, this particular one would keep you from the Church).

                          Please and thank you!
                          It's not an obstacle so much as there is no evidence for its existence in Scripture. The claim that Peter is the Rock Christ's church is built on when it's Christ who is that Rock. The Catholic church is then built on man and I don't want that. I want my faith to be in Christ WHO IS THE ROCK as scripture testifies to.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post
                            I think the greatest obstacle for many Evangelical posters here is the HATE they have in their hearts towards Catholicism. I can produce quotes of them admitting that their heart is full of HATE towards Catholicism.
                            Do you really need to be reminded all the whys many of us do? The Catholic history, lies, scandals that still plague your religion to this day? How can any rational God fearing person live a religion that claims to be pure and holy when it's never been? Think about that

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
                              So I'm hoping that this can be an informative and polite discussion to loosen the tension from the past few discussions/debates we've all had. If the thread jumps into a tangent, I'll understand, but I'm really hoping to keep it to the OP.

                              What is your greatest obstacle to either accepting that the Catholic Church is Christian, or to entering the Catholic Church at all?
                              I'm not asking for reams of dogmas or lists of Scripture as arguments, I just want to know what is the single greatest challenge. Is it the Church's teaching on the Eucharist? Is it on the relationship between faith and works? Mary? Etc.

                              (And no, I would prefer if you didn't just say "Yep, all of it". I really want to know if there's a single obstacle that, if the rest were understood and explained, this particular one would keep you from the Church).

                              Please and thank you!
                              God. Thru His Word. 1Tim 4:1-3.

                              The reason for not entering the Catholic Church is because they made it absolutely clear they do not want to have anyone who follows Jesus Christ in their midst.

                              "Cults use Christian terminology, but redefine terms to suit their own belief and practices."-Dr. Walter Martin

                              Catholicism's doctrines of demons:

                              1TI 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
                              1TI 4:3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

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