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    According to The Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism regarding the sacrament of penance:

    "Absolution can only be given to one who is morally present, and this means, according to the teaching of St. Alphonsus Ligouri, that he must not be more than twenty paces distant from the confessor. In the case of extreme necessity (much as that of a man who is falling from a roof at a considerable distance away) this moral presence may be interpreted broadly. This question of distance is one that sometimes arises in the ordinary life of an average parish were it is not uncommon for a penitent to leave the confessional before the priest has had time to give him absolution. On such occasions it is often possible to recall a penitent to the confessional, or failing this, to absolve him, as he moves away from the confessional, while he is still within the prescribed distance. It is not essential that the confessor should be able to see or hear him."

    "Pope Clement VIII by a decree of June 20th, 1602, condemned the proposition that a confession might be made in writing or through an intermediary in the absence of the penitent, and that absolution might be given in such circumstances (i.e. with the penitent still absent). This ruling does not prevent a penitent from sending a written statement to the confessor in advance, and from later accusing himself in a general way in the presence of the confessor, who already in a general way in the presence of the confessor, who already knows the details from the letter. This is an altogether different situation from that condemned by Clement VIII. It does not involve a confession made by a penitent who is absent, or absolution given to him while he is still absent."

    Except in case of extreme necessity it is forbidden to give absolution by telephone or by means of a speaking tube, but it is not clear that absolution given in this way would be certainly invalid. Everything depends here upon what it meant by being orally present, and it has been plausibly argued that, if the penitent and his confessor can be said to converse audibly, they may fulfil the4 condition of being present one to the other. "

    "Is it necessary to add that a certain popular novelist, whose works have been translated into English, is in error if he really believe that a priest can transmit sacramental absolution by telegram"?



    Volume 51
    Section 5: The Life of Faith
    Last edited by Raynebeau; 08-12-18, 05:55 AM.
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
    According to The Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism regarding the sacrament of penance:

    "Absolution can only be given to one who is morally present, and this means, according to the teaching of St. Alphonsus Ligouri, that he must not be more than twenty paces distant from the confessor. In the case of extreme necessity (much as that of a man who is falling from a roof at a considerable distance away) this moral presence may be interpreted broadly. This question of distance is one that sometimes arises in the ordinary life of an average parish were it is not uncommon for a penitent to leave the confessional before the priest has had time to give him absolution. On such occasions it is often possible to recall a penitent to the confessional, or failing this, to absolve him, as he moves away from the confessional, while he is still within the prescribed distance. It is not essential that the confessor should be able to see or hear him."

    "Pope Clement VIII by a decree of June 20th, 1602, condemned the proposition that a confession might be made in writing or through an intermediary in the absence of the penitent, and that absolution might be given in such circumstances (i.e. with the penitent still absent). This ruling does not prevent a penitent from sending a written statement to the confessor in advance, and from later accusing himself in a general way in the presence of the confessor, who already in a general way in the presence of the confessor, who already knows the details from the letter. This is an altogether different situation from that condemned by Clement VIII. It does not involve a confession made by a penitent who is absent, or absolution given to him while he is still absent."

    Except in case of extreme necessity it is forbidden to give absolution by telephone or by means of a speaking tube, but it is not clear that absolution given in this way would be certainly invalid. Everything depends here upon what it meant by being orally present, and it has been plausibly argued that, if the penitent and his confessor can be said to converse audibly, they may fulfil the4 condition of being present one to the other. "

    "Is it necessary to add that a certain popular novelist, whose works have been translated into English, is in error if he really believe that a priest can transmit sacramental absolution by telegram"?



    Volume 51
    Section 5: The Life of Faith
    Yes.

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    • #3
      I think these conditions have demonstrated their value to the Scriptural commands by preserving the need for a visible Church and actual accountability to that community in confessing sins. There is ample evidence that the temptation to reject gathering together as Church and rejecting confession as a part of being one in Christ with our brethren.... has destroyed Christs vision. Many Christians today don't gather together regularly, break bread or confess their sins in the manner of Scripture. They have subscribed to a new age telepathy version of Christianity that resembles nothing of Scripture.
      The crones love their cliques!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
        According to The Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism regarding the sacrament of penance:

        "Absolution can only be given to one who is morally present, and this means, according to the teaching of St. Alphonsus Ligouri, that he must not be more than twenty paces distant from the confessor. In the case of extreme necessity (much as that of a man who is falling from a roof at a considerable distance away) this moral presence may be interpreted broadly. This question of distance is one that sometimes arises in the ordinary life of an average parish were it is not uncommon for a penitent to leave the confessional before the priest has had time to give him absolution. On such occasions it is often possible to recall a penitent to the confessional, or failing this, to absolve him, as he moves away from the confessional, while he is still within the prescribed distance. It is not essential that the confessor should be able to see or hear him."
        Don't you know that the spells of the Catholic priests only have an effective range of a stone's throw?

        This is what happens when sect leaders start making up crap.

        My God, OTOH, can forgive anyone at any time....at any distance. Their lying priests say they speak for God, but obviously not.

        ...
        "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mercedes View Post
          I think these conditions have demonstrated their value to the Scriptural commands by preserving the need for a visible Church and actual accountability to that community in confessing sins.
          What is the effective radius of the spells of your parish priest? Can he forgive you beyond the range of a basketball court?

          ROFL!

          Many Christians today don't gather together regularly, break bread or confess their sins in the manner of Scripture.
          My church services are packed full...multiple times a week, including during the middle of the week.

          Christ followers love gathering together and worshiping together....and not one of us is threatened with Hellfire so we will come!

          LOL.

          Roman Catholics, OTOH, are too busy wondering "does this Mass count?" as they are lacing up their running shoes to dart into the parking lot to get out of there.

          Hahahahaha.

          ...

          "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Atemi View Post

            Don't you know that the spells of the Catholic priests only have an effective range of a stone's throw?

            This is what happens when sect leaders start making up crap.

            My God, OTOH, can forgive anyone at any time....at any distance. Their lying priests say they speak for God, but obviously not.

            ...
            Jesus gave the Apostles the authority to forgive sin.

            John 20 23 "If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

            Do you reject this authority?
            The crones love their cliques!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mercedes View Post
              Don't you know that the spells of the Catholic priests only have an effective range of a stone's throw?

              This is what happens when sect leaders start making up crap.

              My God, OTOH, can forgive anyone at any time....at any distance. Their lying priests say they speak for God, but obviously not.


              Jesus gave the Apostles the authority to forgive sin.
              Sure. Sure. They set up booths where lines would form and Christians would file in and spout off a laundry list of sins.

              What radius of effectiveness do you suppose Jesus gave to the Apostles in their spell to forgive sin?

              Is the forgiveness range of an Apostle larger than the forgiveness range of your typical parish priest?


              ...
              "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                Sure. Sure. They set up booths where lines would form and Christians would file in and spout off a laundry list of sins.

                What radius of effectiveness do you suppose Jesus gave to the Apostles in their spell to forgive sin?

                Is the forgiveness range of an Apostle larger than the forgiveness range of your typical parish priest?


                ...
                What do you think Jesus meant by giving the Apostles that authority?
                The crones love their cliques!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                  My church services are packed full...multiple times a week, including during the middle of the week.
                  Speaking of spells ...
                  Though the godless poured poison in to your veins, your heart still beats with love for Christ,
                  O bishop Theodore, martyred father, who now raise your prayers before the Throne of God.

                  [Kontakion of Blessed Theodore (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                    According to The Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism regarding the sacrament of penance:

                    "Absolution can only be given to one who is morally present, and this means, according to the teaching of St. Alphonsus Ligouri, that he must not be more than twenty paces distant from the confessor. In the case of extreme necessity (much as that of a man who is falling from a roof at a considerable distance away) this moral presence may be interpreted broadly. This question of distance is one that sometimes arises in the ordinary life of an average parish were it is not uncommon for a penitent to leave the confessional before the priest has had time to give him absolution. On such occasions it is often possible to recall a penitent to the confessional, or failing this, to absolve him, as he moves away from the confessional, while he is still within the prescribed distance. It is not essential that the confessor should be able to see or hear him."

                    "Pope Clement VIII by a decree of June 20th, 1602, condemned the proposition that a confession might be made in writing or through an intermediary in the absence of the penitent, and that absolution might be given in such circumstances (i.e. with the penitent still absent). This ruling does not prevent a penitent from sending a written statement to the confessor in advance, and from later accusing himself in a general way in the presence of the confessor, who already in a general way in the presence of the confessor, who already knows the details from the letter. This is an altogether different situation from that condemned by Clement VIII. It does not involve a confession made by a penitent who is absent, or absolution given to him while he is still absent."

                    Except in case of extreme necessity it is forbidden to give absolution by telephone or by means of a speaking tube, but it is not clear that absolution given in this way would be certainly invalid. Everything depends here upon what it meant by being orally present, and it has been plausibly argued that, if the penitent and his confessor can be said to converse audibly, they may fulfil the4 condition of being present one to the other. "

                    "Is it necessary to add that a certain popular novelist, whose works have been translated into English, is in error if he really believe that a priest can transmit sacramental absolution by telegram"?



                    Volume 51
                    Section 5: The Life of Faith
                    Do you know if "morally present" and "orally present" in your quotes above are supposed to be the same phrase? Is "morally present" a typo? I've never heard of that phrase.
                    ... For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed;...
                    But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (Rom 13)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mercedes View Post
                      Sure. Sure. They set up booths where lines would form and Christians would file in and spout off a laundry list of sins.

                      What radius of effectiveness do you suppose Jesus gave to the Apostles in their spell to forgive sin?

                      Is the forgiveness range of an Apostle larger than the forgiveness range of your typical parish priest?


                      What do you think Jesus meant by giving the Apostles that authority?
                      The same thing He meant by giving all His followers that authority: the feet that bear the Gospel also bear forgiveness of sins...to those who believe it.

                      You don't know the effective range of Apostolic forgiveness?

                      30 yards? A football field? Half a mile?

                      ...

                      "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                        The same thing He meant by giving all His followers that authority: the feet that bear the Gospel also bear forgiveness of sins...to those who believe it.

                        You don't know the effective range of Apostolic forgiveness?

                        30 yards? A football field? Half a mile?

                        ...
                        Now that's the most laughable excuse of an answer I've ever seen.
                        “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                          The same thing He meant by giving all His followers that authority: the feet that bear the Gospel also bear forgiveness of sins...to those who believe it.

                          You don't know the effective range of Apostolic forgiveness?

                          30 yards? A football field? Half a mile?

                          ...
                          How does the authority manifest in the ministry of your church? Is it just a dead letter and defunct.
                          The crones love their cliques!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
                            The same thing He meant by giving all His followers that authority: the feet that bear the Gospel also bear forgiveness of sins...to those who believe it.

                            You don't know the effective range of Apostolic forgiveness?

                            30 yards? A football field? Half a mile?


                            Now that's the most laughable excuse of an answer I've ever seen.
                            We already know you Roman Catholics think the Gospel as the answer is laughable to you. That is why you state insane things like you are perfect like God and believe false doctrines such as meriting eternal life with your works.

                            The Gospel is one big joke to Catholics.

                            But the Gospel is not a laughable excuse to Christ followers and every humble sinner who places their trust in it.

                            ...

                            "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mercedes View Post
                              How does the authority manifest in the ministry of your church?
                              The preaching of the forgiveness of sins goes out from the podium every service, and many every week come to faith in Christ and are forgiven and transformed.

                              Of course, the range of this authority reaches literally around the globe....unlike the sad range of your priests which is merely a stone's throw!

                              Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha.

                              ...

                              "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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