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    Can a Roman Catholic reject Christ's 'atonement'?
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
    Can a Roman Catholic reject Christ's 'atonement'?
    In a word, no. It would violate the Nicene Creed.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
      Can a Roman Catholic reject Christ's 'atonement'?
      They do. Every time they drag out penance or purgatory they shake their fist at God for not doing enough. They expiate their own sin. That of course is not what God did. More flawed rc theology.
      Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

        They do. Every time they drag out penance or purgatory they shake their fist at God for not doing enough. They expiate their own sin. That of course is not what God did. More flawed rc theology.

        1Pe 4:8 - And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

          In a word, no. It would violate the Nicene Creed.
          The Nicene Creed transforms Roman Catholics?
          RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HTacianas View Post


            1Pe 4:8 - And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins
            What does that have to do with penance ce or purgatory? Or do you mean WE can cover sins? Then what did we need Jesus for?
            Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
              Can a Roman Catholic reject Christ's 'atonement'?
              No one can, but there are traditions that claim it was limited in scope
              Though the godless poured poison in to your veins, your heart still beats with love for Christ,
              O bishop Theodore, martyred father, who now raise your prayers before the Throne of God.

              [Kontakion of Blessed Theodore (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

                The Nicene Creed transforms Roman Catholics?
                They hold to the Nicene Creed. And its subsequent additions. All of them actually.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                  What does that have to do with penance ce or purgatory? Or do you mean WE can cover sins? Then what did we need Jesus for?
                  Charity is a form of penance.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

                    Charity is a form of penance.
                    Really? Want to flesh that out for us.
                    Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

                      They hold to the Nicene Creed. And its subsequent additions. All of them actually.
                      The heart and core of the Christian faith is based upon Jesus Christ's shed blood at Calvary as the only acceptable substitutionary atonement for mankind's sin. The gospel message requires this foundation - not the Nicene Creed.
                      RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

                        The heart and core of the Christian faith is based upon Jesus Christ's shed blood at Calvary as the only acceptable substitutionary atonement for mankind's sin. The gospel message requires this foundation - not the Nicene Creed.
                        That belief is contained in the Nicene Creed.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

                          That belief is contained in the Nicene Creed.
                          What's the matter with the Bible?
                          Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                            What's the matter with the Bible?
                            that's God's word, not the words of their men.

                            "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                            The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                              What's the matter with the Bible?
                              There's nothing the matter with the bible.

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