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    Here in Orlando we were graced not to have a Roman Catholic radio station. But sadly, recently, Relevant Radio started a station here. So at work I started to listen to the station (admittedly for some laughs). Well I noticed something after a few days...
    When the people from Patrick Medrid (sp?) to anyone else from the "western rite (Roman)" deeply defended "the church", but where I heard speakers from any of the "eastern rites" of "the church" they defended (like us which you call Protestants) Jesus and not "the church".

    I'll be the first to admit that the eastern rites of the Roman Catholic church also has some serious doctrinal issues like the Roman rite, to the point that they also draw one away from God's true saving grace, but it is refreshing to see "catholics" defend Jesus over their church!
    Last edited by Ric; 09-14-18, 08:48 PM.
    As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, For the wages of sin is death, Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 3:10; 3:23; 6:23a; 5:12; 5:8; 10:13 NIV)

  • #2
    Originally posted by Ric View Post
    Here in Orlando we were graced not to have a Roman Catholic radio station. But sadly, recently, Relevant Radio started a station here. So at work I started to listen to the station (admittedly for some laughs). Well I noticed something after a few days...
    When the people from Patrick Medrid (sp?) to anyone else from the "western rite (Roman)" deeply defended "the church", but where I heard speakers from any of the "eastern rites" of "the church" they defended (like us which you call Protestants) Jesus and not "the church".

    I'll be the first to admit that the eastern rites of the Roman Catholic church also has some serious doctrinal issues like the Roman rite, to the point that they also draw one away from God's true saving grace, but it is refreshing to see "catholics" defend Jesus over their church!
    Ric, there's no such thing as "eastern rites of the Roman Catholic Church". Rather, there are Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome.

    That said, what you notice is the deep Christological focus of Eastern theology which is very clearly expressed in everything we do.

    As to your "admission", respectfully, its unclear as to what basis you might have for declaring that the Eastern Churches have "some serious doctrinal issues".
    Though the godless poured poison in to your veins, your heart still beats with love for Christ,
    O bishop Theodore, martyred father, who now raise your prayers before the Throne of God.

    [Kontakion of Blessed Theodore (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

      Ric, there's no such thing as "eastern rites of the Roman Catholic Church". Rather, there are Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome.

      That said, what you notice is the deep Christological focus of Eastern theology which is very clearly expressed in everything we do.

      As to your "admission", respectfully, its unclear as to what basis you might have for declaring that the Eastern Churches have "some serious doctrinal issues".
      I was trying to speak in Roman Catholic speak, okay, big fail!

      Second... Any religion that requires works for salvation is not Christian. I don't care if it's western or eastern of Roman Catholicism!

      I was just making an observation.
      As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, For the wages of sin is death, Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 3:10; 3:23; 6:23a; 5:12; 5:8; 10:13 NIV)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ric View Post

        I was trying to speak in Roman Catholic speak, okay, big fail!

        Second... Any religion that requires works for salvation is not Christian. I don't care if it's western or eastern of Roman Catholicism!

        I was just making an observation.
        At least with respect to your observation about the perceptible difference in the manner of expression between speakers of Eastern and Western theological and ecclesial backgrounds, as observed in the radio programming you mentioned, it's notable and worthy of discussion. That said, how that extends to global conclusions on doctrine, I don't know. Further, to say that the Catholic Church - Western or Eastern - teaches works salvation is simply an unsupportable assertion. Christ is Lord and Savior. There's only one source of salvation, and its not us.
        Though the godless poured poison in to your veins, your heart still beats with love for Christ,
        O bishop Theodore, martyred father, who now raise your prayers before the Throne of God.

        [Kontakion of Blessed Theodore (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

          At least with respect to your observation about the perceptible difference in the manner of expression between speakers of Eastern and Western theological and ecclesial backgrounds, as observed in the radio programming you mentioned, it's notable and worthy of discussion. That said, how that extends to global conclusions on doctrine, I don't know. Further, to say that the Catholic Church - Western or Eastern - teaches works salvation is simply an unsupportable assertion. Christ is Lord and Savior. There's only one source of salvation, and its not us.
          So, are you saying that one does not need "Catholicism" (eastern or western) for salvation like I understand the RCC teaches is needed, but salvation from God's wrath is in Christ alone?
          As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, For the wages of sin is death, Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 3:10; 3:23; 6:23a; 5:12; 5:8; 10:13 NIV)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ric View Post

            So, are you saying that one does not need "Catholicism" (eastern or western) for salvation like I understand the RCC teaches is needed, but salvation from God's wrath is in Christ alone?
            Actually they don't teach that any more.

            It (The Catholic Church) acknowledges the sufficiency of that revelation witnessed by the Bible in the sense that no
            new revealer or no new special revelations are necessary for men and women to find the will of God and the grace
            of salvation.""
            Fr. Raymond Brown, 101 Questions and Answers on the Bible, p139 Imprimatur

            You may not realize it but they can change their mind, even their Magisterium Their CCC contains

            the latest.

            JohnR

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ric View Post

              So, are you saying that one does not need "Catholicism" (eastern or western) for salvation like I understand the RCC teaches is needed, but salvation from God's wrath is in Christ alone?
              No, that's not what I said. You asserted that Catholicism teaches works salvation. I simply pointed out that is not the case. As you observed, the normative expression of one from the Eastern Churches is inherently Christocentric. There is never any question as to the Source of our salvation (which is not our works).
              Though the godless poured poison in to your veins, your heart still beats with love for Christ,
              O bishop Theodore, martyred father, who now raise your prayers before the Throne of God.

              [Kontakion of Blessed Theodore (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by highrigger View Post

                Actually they don't teach that any more.

                It (The Catholic Church) acknowledges the sufficiency of that revelation witnessed by the Bible in the sense that no
                new revealer or no new special revelations are necessary for men and women to find the will of God and the grace
                of salvation.""
                Fr. Raymond Brown, 101 Questions and Answers on the Bible, p139 Imprimatur

                You may not realize it but they can change their mind, even their Magisterium Their CCC contains

                the latest.

                JohnR
                So true.
                As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, For the wages of sin is death, Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 3:10; 3:23; 6:23a; 5:12; 5:8; 10:13 NIV)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

                  No, that's not what I said. You asserted that Catholicism teaches works salvation. I simply pointed out that is not the case. As you observed, the normative expression of one from the Eastern Churches is inherently Christocentric. There is never any question as to the Source of our salvation (which is not our works).
                  So you don't need to go to mass, confession, do penance, etc... for your salvation?
                  As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, For the wages of sin is death, Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 3:10; 3:23; 6:23a; 5:12; 5:8; 10:13 NIV)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ric View Post
                    Here in Orlando we were graced not to have a Roman Catholic radio station. But sadly, recently, Relevant Radio started a station here. So at work I started to listen to the station (admittedly for some laughs). Well I noticed something after a few days...
                    When the people from Patrick Medrid (sp?) to anyone else from the "western rite (Roman)" deeply defended "the church", but where I heard speakers from any of the "eastern rites" of "the church" they defended (like us which you call Protestants) Jesus and not "the church".

                    I'll be the first to admit that the eastern rites of the Roman Catholic church also has some serious doctrinal issues like the Roman rite, to the point that they also draw one away from God's true saving grace, but it is refreshing to see "catholics" defend Jesus over their church!
                    When things look good, they proudly declare their support for Holy Mother Church.
                    When things make them look bad, they are more than happy to distance themselves from Holy Mother Church.

                    They are nothing but opportunists....drifting too and fro with every wind. This is not refreshing to me.

                    ...
                    "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                      When things look good, they proudly declare their support for Holy Mother Church.
                      When things make them look bad, they are more than happy to distance themselves from Holy Mother Church.

                      They are nothing but opportunists....drifting too and fro with every wind. This is not refreshing to me.

                      ...
                      It seems that way.
                      As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, For the wages of sin is death, Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 3:10; 3:23; 6:23a; 5:12; 5:8; 10:13 NIV)

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