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    The Roman Catholic Church has done much to contribute to the confusion by what it has erroneously taught; therefore, most Roman Catholics think of the church as an institution, something that speaks on behalf of God through the Magisterium. Regardless of that - in general, how would you as an individual answer the question of "what is the church"?
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
    The Roman Catholic Church has done much to contribute to the confusion by what it has erroneously taught; therefore, most Roman Catholics think of the church as an institution, something that speaks on behalf of God through the Magisterium. Regardless of that - in general, how would you as an individual answer the question of "what is the church"?
    It was to the Catholic Church that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and gave the Great Commission, to teach and to sanctify. Not one Protestant church was there, nor would arrive until at least 15 centuries later. Who, then, has the God-given authority to teach?
    May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most incomprehensible and ineffable Name of God be forever praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified in Heaven, on Earth, and under the Earth by all the creatures of God and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Philomena View Post

      It was to the Catholic Church that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and gave the Great Commission, to teach and to sanctify. Not one Protestant church was there, nor would arrive until at least 15 centuries later. Who, then, has the God-given authority to teach?
      philo - the OP question simply asked "what is the church"? - the OP question NEVER asked "who has the God-given authority to teach?" But, thank you for demonstrating for us yet another clearly indoctrinated presentation of how the Roman Catholic Church sees itself.
      RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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      • #4
        The Roman Catholic Church believes itself when it proclaims that it's bishops are the successors to the 12 Apostles of Christ, and that collectively with the pope, whom the RCC proclaims is Christ on Earth, their teachings on matters of faith and morals are infallible. What a joke! The RCC infallibly teaches it's pew puppets about morals! LOL!
        RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
          The Roman Catholic Church has done much to contribute to the confusion by what it has erroneously taught; therefore, most Roman Catholics think of the church as an institution, something that speaks on behalf of God through the Magisterium. Regardless of that - in general, how would you as an individual answer the question of "what is the church"?
          The body of Christ.
          "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot

          "There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still." Betsy ten Boom

          "God in His deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since He has in Himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love." John Paul II

          ’Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.’ One of the greatest responses in all of scripture.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
            The Roman Catholic Church has done much to contribute to the confusion by what it has erroneously taught; therefore, most Roman Catholics think of the church as an institution, something that speaks on behalf of God through the Magisterium. Regardless of that - in general, how would you as an individual answer the question of "what is the church"?
            Adding to my Catholic brethrens contribution.... the visible communion of Christians.

            Matt 18 15 “If another member of the church sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If the member listens to you, you have regained that one. 16 But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19 Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
              The Roman Catholic Church has done much to contribute to the confusion by what it has erroneously taught; therefore, most Roman Catholics think of the church as an institution, something that speaks on behalf of God through the Magisterium. Regardless of that - in general, how would you as an individual answer the question of "what is the church"?
              The believers in Christ.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

                philo - the OP question simply asked "what is the church"? - the OP question NEVER asked "who has the God-given authority to teach?" But, thank you for demonstrating for us yet another clearly indoctrinated presentation of how the Roman Catholic Church sees itself.
                Ok, which Protestant denominations were present at the Great Commission?
                May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most incomprehensible and ineffable Name of God be forever praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified in Heaven, on Earth, and under the Earth by all the creatures of God and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Philomena View Post

                  Ok, which Protestant denominations were present at the Great Commission?
                  I sense that you are 'chomping at the bit' to spew forth your own glorious revelation about the Roman Catholic Church. But, truth is philo, if anyone were to search through the Scriptures to seek the model of the Roman Catholic Church it would be in vain, for it's simply not there.
                  RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

                    I sense that you are 'chomping at the bit' to spew forth your own glorious revelation about the Roman Catholic Church. But, truth is philo, if anyone were to search through the Scriptures to seek the model of the Roman Catholic Church it would be in vain, for it's simply not there.
                    Raynebeau,

                    If not one Protestant denomination was present at the Great Commission, then who was given the authority to go out to the world, teaching and baptizing?

                    The Church, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

                    I suggest reading the ECF's and see how they saw the Church. You might see things differently.

                    Blessings
                    May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most incomprehensible and ineffable Name of God be forever praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified in Heaven, on Earth, and under the Earth by all the creatures of God and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen.

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                    • #11
                      post #1

                      https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/ch...ch?view=thread
                      1Jn 2:19; Jn 6:53

                      "...wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius-Antioch

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Philomena View Post

                        Raynebeau,

                        If not one Protestant denomination was present at the Great Commission, then who was given the authority to go out to the world, teaching and baptizing?

                        The Church, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

                        I suggest reading the ECF's and see how they saw the Church. You might see things differently.

                        Blessings
                        At the "Great Commission" there were NO denominations present - not Protestant, not Catholic. Those present at the Great Commission were believers in Christ Jesus as the Son of God - the Messiah - the long awaited Redeemer - that's who was there philo - sorry but you just can't squeeze the Roman Catholic Church in there any way you look at it. Truth is backed by truth, and not by your spurious religious perceptions.
                        RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arch Stanton View Post
                          The church Jesus came to build bears no resemblance to the definition of the church given by the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church. While they are claiming infallibility, the Bible says that only Scripture is infallible, not the church. 2 Tim. 3 16-17
                          RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                            The church Jesus came to build bears no resemblance to the definition of the church given by the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church. While they are claiming infallibility, the Bible says that only Scripture is infallible, not the church. 2 Tim. 3 16-17
                            great verses. and there's no mention of the RCC, its words (ccc), or writings of any ecfs or popes. Just God's word. His word will always win - it will always be the truth.

                            16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

                            17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


                            "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                            The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mica View Post
                              great verses. and there's no mention of the RCC, its words (ccc), or writings of any ecfs or popes. Just God's word. His word will always win - it will always be the truth.

                              16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

                              17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

                              Yes, its very profitable ... for Oral Roberts, Robert Tilton, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar ($ ... can't make that one up), Kenneth Copeland, etc.
                              Save Your people, O Lord, and bless Your inheritance. Grant victory to your Church over evil, and protect Your people by Your Cross.
                              [Troparion of the Exaltation of the Precious, Holy and Life-Creating Cross (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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