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What does "Apostolic Succession" guarantee?

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  • What does "Apostolic Succession" guarantee?

    Catholics:
    What does your "Apostolic Succession" get you: what does it guarantee?

    If your Pope Francis appoints a bishop and sends him to your diocese; what is it that you think you are guaranteed of receiving?


    Tell us: what is it that you are 100% sure you are getting?


    One of the ekklēsia

  • #2
    Originally posted by tester View Post
    Catholics:
    What does your "Apostolic Succession" get you: what does it guarantee?

    If your Pope Francis appoints a bishop and sends him to your diocese; what is it that you think you are guaranteed of receiving?

    Tell us: what is it that you are 100% sure you are getting?
    Just about nothing.

    That bishop can be a bad teacher.
    That bishop can be a horrible sect leader and an even worse people manager.
    That bishop can institute bad practices.
    That bishop can be wrong doctrinally every which way till next Sunday.
    That bishop could possibly not even be validly ordained.
    That bishop can be just plain wicked and evil...and not even believe in Jesus Christ.

    BUT.....

    That bishop claims "Apostolic succession."

    This is the Roman Catholic standard. It is like they never read Scripture at all.

    LOL.

    ...
    "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tester View Post
      Catholics:
      What does your "Apostolic Succession" get you: what does it guarantee?

      If your Pope Francis appoints a bishop and sends him to your diocese; what is it that you think you are guaranteed of receiving?


      Tell us: what is it that you are 100% sure you are getting?

      Apostolic succession is the means of handling down the authority of the apostles.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

        Apostolic succession is the means of handling down the authority of the apostles.

        If your Pope Francis appoints a bishop and sends him to your diocese; what is it that you think you are guaranteed of receiving?

        Cardinal Wuerl sends you a bishop or a priest: what is it that you think you are guaranteed of receiving?
        One of the ekklēsia

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tester View Post
          Catholics:
          What does your "Apostolic Succession" get you: what does it guarantee?

          If your Pope Francis appoints a bishop and sends him to your diocese; what is it that you think you are guaranteed of receiving?


          Tell us: what is it that you are 100% sure you are getting?

          Authority.
          "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot

          "There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still." Betsy ten Boom

          "God in His deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since He has in Himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love." John Paul II

          ’Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.’ One of the greatest responses in all of scripture.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tester View Post
            Catholics:
            What does your "Apostolic Succession" get you: what does it guarantee?

            If your Pope Francis appoints a bishop and sends him to your diocese; what is it that you think you are guaranteed of receiving?


            Tell us: what is it that you are 100% sure you are getting?

            At a most basic level, there is the guarantee of continuity and preservation of the fundamentals. It's the same reason we still affirm the fathers of all the universal truths. Archemeds and Euclid as laying the foundations of mathmatics. Hippocrates for medicine. Galileo, Pasteur, Darwin etc etc Science. It's really got a lot of basic common sense to it. It's recognised as hubristic and narcissistic to claim knowledge isolated from the tradition of building upon an original foundation.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by HTacianas View Post
              Apostolic succession is the means of handling down the authority of the apostles.
              Then how come Roman Catholics insist EO bishops have less authority on matters of faith and morals?



              "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post
                Authority.
                That bishop can be a bad teacher.
                That bishop can be a horrible sect leader and an even worse people manager.
                That bishop can institute bad practices.
                That bishop can be wrong doctrinally every which way till next Sunday.
                That bishop could possibly not even be validly ordained.
                That bishop can be just plain wicked and evil...and not even believe in Jesus Christ.

                BUT.....

                "authority"

                We simply cannot make this stuff up, folks!

                Every time I talk to a cult apologists, they talk exactly the same way as the Roman Catholics here.

                ...
                "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tester View Post
                  Catholics:
                  What does your "Apostolic Succession" get you: what does it guarantee?

                  If your Pope Francis appoints a bishop and sends him to your diocese; what is it that you think you are guaranteed of receiving?


                  Tell us: what is it that you are 100% sure you are getting?

                  No Catholic can actually prove that Frank or the Magisterium, or any of the underling bishops, are in "proper apostolic succession".

                  But this succession is the basis for the RCC faith. If a bishop isn't in proper succession he can't give his magical powers to the priests he ordains, so none of their sacraments are kosher.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mercedes View Post
                    At a most basic level, there is the guarantee of continuity and preservation of the fundamentals.
                    Catholics make the same claim about what they get when they get a new priest. Heck, even my own church elders make the same claim when we get a new leader for the children's ministry!

                    LOL.

                    But none of those are an "Apostolic successor," now are they?

                    ...
                    "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Southsider View Post
                      No Catholic can actually prove that Frank or the Magisterium, or any of the underling bishops, are in "proper apostolic succession".
                      But, but, but....they say they are!

                      How dare you, sir!

                      But this succession is the basis for the RCC faith.
                      This is why they call their bishops "the Church" and even equate those bishops with their god.

                      If a bishop isn't in proper succession he can't give his magical powers to the priests he ordains, so none of their sacraments are kosher.
                      Bingo.

                      But since all those majik powers of their shamans are super powerful miracles under the "appearances" and "accidents" of non-miracles, how would they know?

                      As a Catholic, I was simply told to believe...and shut up.

                      LOL.

                      ...

                      "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                        Then how come Roman Catholics insist EO bishops have less authority on matters of faith and morals?


                        The Roman Church acknowledges the apostolic succession of the Eastern Churches, and the validity of our sacraments.

                        The Roman Bishop has always held a place of honor among all bishops, but in the end it was always just that, honorary. Rome's claim of supremacy over all the Church is not recognized by the Eastern Churches and for good reason.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HTacianas View Post
                          Then how come Roman Catholics insist EO bishops have less authority on matters of faith and morals?

                          The Roman Church acknowledges the apostolic succession of the Eastern Churches, and the validity of our sacraments.
                          You made sure you skirted the issue and ignored what I actually posted.

                          LOL.

                          We know why.

                          Rome's claim of supremacy over all the Church is not recognized by the Eastern Churches and for good reason.
                          So do Roman Catholics bishops have more authority or less authority than EO bishops when it comes to matters of faith and morals?

                          ...

                          "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                            You made sure you skirted the issue and ignored what I actually posted.

                            LOL.

                            We know why.



                            So do Roman Catholics bishops have more authority or less authority than EO bishops when it comes to matters of faith and morals?

                            ...
                            All bishops are equal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

                              Apostolic succession is the means of handling down the authority of the apostles.
                              the RCC doesn't even teach what the apostles taught. they are not successors.


                              "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                              The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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