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Sex abuse by Catholic priests has been declining since the 1970s

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  • Sex abuse by Catholic priests has been declining since the 1970s

    By the 1990s, long before anyone heard of a scandal, abuse had already fallen to the levels of the 1950s and has continued to decline ever since.

    "The number of alleged abuses increased in the 1960’s, peaked in the 70’s, declined in the 80’s and by the 90’s had returned to the levels of the 1950’s." https://web.archive.org/web/20100420...rticle_id=3497

    "Since sexual abuse in the church appears to have peaked in the 1970’s and declined in the 80’s and 90’s, the church seems to have been ahead of the rest of American society." https://web.archive.org/web/20100420...rticle_id=3497

    "Almost 70% of the abusive priests were ordained before 1970, after attending pre-Vatican II seminaries or seminaries that had had little time to adapt to the reforms of Vatican II."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report

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    Since the number of RC priests are declining, it isn't surprising that the number of paedophile priests is also declining.

    Further, since the 1970's, the number of RC schools has also plummeted. The South Side of Pittsburgh had a half dozen RCC elementary schools when I was a kid and 3 RC high schools. Today there are none.

    Less schools means less opportunity for child molestation.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by logix View Post
      By the 1990s, long before anyone heard of a scandal, abuse had already fallen to the levels of the 1950s and has continued to decline ever since.

      "The number of alleged abuses increased in the 1960’s, peaked in the 70’s, declined in the 80’s and by the 90’s had returned to the levels of the 1950’s." https://web.archive.org/web/20100420...rticle_id=3497

      "Since sexual abuse in the church appears to have peaked in the 1970’s and declined in the 80’s and 90’s, the church seems to have been ahead of the rest of American society." https://web.archive.org/web/20100420...rticle_id=3497

      "Almost 70% of the abusive priests were ordained before 1970, after attending pre-Vatican II seminaries or seminaries that had had little time to adapt to the reforms of Vatican II."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report
      So many excuses, so little time.

      Devout Catholics will do anything to defend and justify the many wicked evils of their sect leaders. It is sick.

      ...
      "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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      • #4
        Originally posted by logix View Post
        By the 1990s, long before anyone heard of a scandal, abuse had already fallen to the levels of the 1950s and has continued to decline ever since.

        "The number of alleged abuses increased in the 1960’s, peaked in the 70’s, declined in the 80’s and by the 90’s had returned to the levels of the 1950’s." https://web.archive.org/web/20100420...rticle_id=3497

        "Since sexual abuse in the church appears to have peaked in the 1970’s and declined in the 80’s and 90’s, the church seems to have been ahead of the rest of American society." https://web.archive.org/web/20100420...rticle_id=3497

        "Almost 70% of the abusive priests were ordained before 1970, after attending pre-Vatican II seminaries or seminaries that had had little time to adapt to the reforms of Vatican II."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report
        I've said that a number of times now, logix. The ironic fact is that the Catholic Church is now one of the safest places for children because of the work done by the Church to eliminate this scourge since 1985. Since the 2002 Boston Globe investigation and the zero tolerance step taken especially in the US, there have been virtually no accusations found of child abuse by clergy and the measures in place to protect children exceed that of society in general. That is borne out by the Pennsylvania Grand jury report of this year. "Most of the discussion in the report concerns abuses before the early 2000s. By finding almost no cases after 2002, the Grand Jury’s conclusions are consistent with previous studies showing that Catholic Church reforms in the United States drastically reduced the incidence of clergy child abuse." Vatican.

        The issue is with historical crimes at this stage.
        The crones love their cliques!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mercedes View Post
          The issue is with historical crimes at this stage.
          Did your pope know about child abusers that he covered up?

          Is that a "historical crime" now?
          "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Atemi View Post

            So many excuses, so little time.

            Devout Catholics will do anything to defend and justify the many wicked evils of their sect leaders. It is sick.

            ...
            I'm completely unimpressed America Magazine, so those two links do not help his case.

            Indeed. I did a little research of my own. They America Magazine) promote everything that is wrong, deliberately ignoring the Biblical teaching.

            America Magazine is a liberal rag.

            Here is how wiki describes it.


            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_(magazine)

            An excerpt.

            Under the leadership of Reese from 1998 to 2005, the magazine has been known for publishing articles and opinion pieces taking positions contrary to official Catholic teaching or discipline on matters such as homosexuality, priestly celibacy, birth control, and the abortion debate. The magazine came under the scrutiny of the Holy See, and Reese was ordered to resign in May 2005 by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF). The CDF had been reportedly monitoring America for at least four years prior and allegedly proposed a committee of censors to review the magazine’s content.

            The number of Priests is declining.

            https://www.turnto23.com/longform/nu...-across-the-us

            Catholics decline in membership

            https://cruxnow.com/church/2015/05/1...-denomination/

            An excerpt.

            And perhaps more troubling for the church, for every one Catholic convert, more than six Catholics leave the church. Taken a step further, Catholicism loses more members than it gains at a higher rate than any other denomination, with nearly 13 percent of all Americans describing themselves as “former Catholics.”


            My conclusion. If indeed sexual abuse has declined, it's not because of anything Catholics have done to fix it. The consequences of their outrageous sinful acts caused it.


            Less Priests, less targets has an effect.

            I note another poster has concluded the same thing as it relates to Catholic Schools.

            It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

            Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

              The issue is with historical crimes at this stage.
              well the newest spin on

              Techniques of the Apologist

              Quote:The Roman Catholic Church can err and contradict itself as much as it wants to
              (anti-Semitism, selling indulgences, Popes and councils contradicting one another, etc.),
              yet still be "Infallible Mother Church."-
              If anybody brings up these errors, we need to
              "put the past behind us"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

                I'm completely unimpressed America Magazine, so those two links do not help his case.

                Indeed. I did a little research of my own. They America Magazine) promote everything that is wrong, deliberately ignoring the Biblical teaching.

                America magazine is an organ of the Jesuit movement in the United States. The Jesuits are one of the most radical strains of Roman Catholicism there is, right along side Opus Dei.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

                  I've said that a number of times now, logix. The ironic fact is that the Catholic Church is now one of the safest places for children because of the work done by the Church to eliminate this scourge since 1985. Since the 2002 Boston Globe investigation and the zero tolerance step taken especially in the US, there have been virtually no accusations found of child abuse by clergy and the measures in place to protect children exceed that of society in general. That is borne out by the Pennsylvania Grand jury report of this year. "Most of the discussion in the report concerns abuses before the early 2000s. By finding almost no cases after 2002, the Grand Jury’s conclusions are consistent with previous studies showing that Catholic Church reforms in the United States drastically reduced the incidence of clergy child abuse." Vatican.

                  The issue is with historical crimes at this stage.
                  Who told you all that? You have no evidence to back it up. Your church still hides what they are doing to Catholic children so you have no clue.

                  A Bishop still cannot call the cops on a molesting priest and must follow canon law which protects the molesting priest at the expense of the many victims.

                  You will believe anything they say.

                  Will you believe what the National Catholic Reporter book review of Potiphar's Wife says on the web? Its conclusion.

                  "beyond a doubt that the institution's main concern is the protection of the hierarchy and not the victims"

                  Your church depends on you to protect them and allow them to continue their terrible behavior without really changing a thing.

                  Congrats for your good work defending your child molesting church. Catholic parents pay the price while you tell things you know nothing about.

                  Why do they not give up the records of all the bishops in the US to the cops? They are still hiding the facts. The Vatican can say anything

                  and you will believe it.

                  JohnR

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by highrigger View Post

                    Who told you all that? You have no evidence to back it up. Your church still hides what they are doing to Catholic children so you have no clue.

                    A Bishop still cannot call the cops on a molesting priest and must follow canon law which protects the molesting priest at the expense of the many victims.


                    Everyone knows that. However, if a priest molested a child and the kid's old man went to the church and pummeled the priest for the offense, Roman Catholics would probably complain that it was a "hate crime" and demand the arrest of the aggrieved father.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by logix View Post
                      By the 1990s, long before anyone heard of a scandal, abuse had already fallen to the levels of the 1950s and has continued to decline ever since.

                      "The number of alleged abuses increased in the 1960’s, peaked in the 70’s, declined in the 80’s and by the 90’s had returned to the levels of the 1950’s." https://web.archive.org/web/20100420...rticle_id=3497

                      "Since sexual abuse in the church appears to have peaked in the 1970’s and declined in the 80’s and 90’s, the church seems to have been ahead of the rest of American society." https://web.archive.org/web/20100420...rticle_id=3497

                      "Almost 70% of the abusive priests were ordained before 1970, after attending pre-Vatican II seminaries or seminaries that had had little time to adapt to the reforms of Vatican II."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report
                      My guess is the Penn grand jury is the tip of the iceberg. How many molestations have never been reported? I wouldn't be patting yourself on the back just yet.
                      Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                        My guess is the Penn grand jury is the tip of the iceberg. How many molestations have never been reported? I wouldn't be patting yourself on the back just yet.

                        Here in Pennsylvania, law firms are advertising on the radio 24/7 for prospective clients who have been molested by RCC clergy. Lawyers certainly think that the grand jury report is just the tip of the iceberg and are betting their own money they are right by soliciting the victim population.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                          My guess is the Penn grand jury is the tip of the iceberg. How many molestations have never been reported? I wouldn't be patting yourself on the back just yet.
                          6 diocese in Pennsylvania yielded 1000+ victims. 194 diocese in the US. Do the math. The longer the bishops hold off giving up those records, the less likely to save the victims.

                          The cover up continues. Imagine the numbers of victims over the world.

                          I am wondering. What happened to the Catholics? So few left on the Catholic forum now.

                          Could it be they are discovering the Gospel?

                          JohnR

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Blackie-USMC View Post
                            well the newest spin on

                            Techniques of the Apologist

                            Quote:The Roman Catholic Church can err and contradict itself as much as it wants to
                            (anti-Semitism, selling indulgences, Popes and councils contradicting one another, etc.),
                            yet still be "Infallible Mother Church."-
                            If anybody brings up these errors, we need to
                            "put the past behind us"
                            When devout Catholics tell me to just keep the past in the past, I always have to ask them which Catholic Church is the right one.

                            The Catholic Church THEN? Or the Catholic Church NOW?

                            They want to say their sect NOW...but they know the implications if they admit this.

                            The past was always a now for that particular generation of Catholics...and Catholics in the future will again be telling us to ignore the misdeeds of the Catholic Church of today.

                            More proof of their ever changing, "never changing" sect.

                            ...
                            "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Atemi View Post

                              When devout Catholics tell me to just keep the past in the past, I always have to ask them which Catholic Church is the right one.

                              The Catholic Church THEN? Or the Catholic Church NOW?

                              They want to say their sect NOW...but they know the implications if they admit this.

                              The past was always a now for that particular generation of Catholics...and Catholics in the future will again be telling us to ignore the misdeeds of the Catholic Church of today.

                              More proof of their ever changing, "never changing" sect.

                              ...
                              Jesus explains everything. "You shall know them by their fruits." Religious busy works cannot make up for the little victims

                              of the Catholic church. Perhaps 30,000 in the US. Do the math. 1000+ in 6 diocese. How many in 194 in the US?

                              The Pope blames the bishops. But he did not allow the bishops to call the cops and insisted that the molesters be protected.

                              Lets face it. This was caused by their invention of the all powerful Pope. So many injured Catholic families.

                              Under canon law the perfect defense against accusation of pedophilia was (drum roll) PEDOPHELIA. He could not help it.

                              Case dismissed. This is a true story.

                              JohnR

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