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Was Jesus infallibly sure of which Hebrew writings were God breathed?

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  • Was Jesus infallibly sure of which Hebrew writings were God breathed?

    Did Jesus know which Hebrew writings were God breathed?
    Was there any doubt in the mind of Jesus on which of the Hebrew writings were God-breached (Theopneustos).
    Was Jesus infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not be included in the Hebrew Canon?
    Were the Apostles sure?

    Did Jesus or the Apostles need any council to tell them what was the correct Hebrew Canon?
    What are the Catholic answers?
    Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

    Did Jesus know which Hebrew writings were God breathed?
    No.

    Was there any doubt in the mind of Jesus on which of the Hebrew writings were God-breached (Theopneustos).
    Yes.

    Was Jesus infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not be included in the Hebrew Canon?
    No.


    Were the Apostles sure?
    No.

    Did Jesus or the Apostles need any council to tell them what was the correct Hebrew Canon?
    What are the Catholic answers?
    Jesus and the apostles relied entirely on what God had written down for them. Unfortunately God didn't write down for them which of his writings were inspired - so they were lost.
    Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

    Why should I? He is correct.

    Good going ridlobeding!

    Was the Catholic Church infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not be included in the Hebrew Canon?
    Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

    Yes, Trent was infallible. All Ecumenical Councils are infallible.
    no misdirections:
    please answer the questions in the OP
    Last edited by tester; 11-05-18, 07:04 AM.
    One of the ekklēsia

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    Wow.
    Goats love their tea!

    Strong's #3982

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    • #3
      yep, wow. Jesus isn't infallible, but the RCC is. don't believe Jesus, believe the RCC!

      straight from the keyboard of a catholic...

      catholics should be putting on their running shoes and running away from those false beliefs.


      "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

      The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Peitho View Post
        Wow.
        What does that mean? It's a well established fact that there is no consensus as to whether there was a fixed Hebrew canon. All the writings referenced were considered to have value in some way. The OPs question is fundamentally wrong to present the assumption that there was.
        The crones love their cliques!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mica View Post
          yep, wow. Jesus isn't infallible, but the RCC is. don't believe Jesus, believe the RCC!

          straight from the keyboard of a catholic...

          catholics should be putting on their running shoes and running away from those false beliefs.

          Yes, exactly. They seem to not even be aware of the absurdity of the premise.
          Goats love their tea!

          Strong's #3982

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

            What does that mean? It's a well established fact that there is no consensus as to whether there was a fixed Hebrew canon. All the writings referenced were considered to have value in some way. The OPs question is fundamentally wrong to present the assumption that there was.


            Did Jesus know which Hebrew writings were God breathed?

            Was Jesus infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not to be included in the Hebrew Canon?


            Was the Catholic Church infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not to be included in the Hebrew Canon?
            Last edited by tester; 11-05-18, 05:20 PM.
            One of the ekklēsia

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

              What does that mean? It's a well established fact that there is no consensus as to whether there was a fixed Hebrew canon. All the writings referenced were considered to have value in some way. The OPs question is fundamentally wrong to present the assumption that there was.
              the gospel of God which He promised before
              through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures
              (Rom 1:1-2)

              Paul didn't refer to all works in the Roman Canon,
              which was codified in the fourth century
              but specifically to the prophets.


              we have the prophetic word confirmed (2 Pe 1:19).

              Servants of satan deceive by adding uninspired writers;
              like Luke the Greek, the author of Hebrews and James
              to the foundational prophets and apostles
              (Mat 13:25, Eph 2:20).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tester View Post
                Did Jesus know which Hebrew writings were God breathed?
                Was there any doubt in the mind of Jesus on which of the Hebrew writings were God-breached (Theopneustos).
                Was Jesus infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not be included in the Hebrew Canon?
                Were the Apostles sure?

                Did Jesus or the Apostles need any council to tell them what was the correct Hebrew Canon?
                What are the Catholic answers?



                Was the Catholic Church infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not be included in the Hebrew Canon?


                no misdirections:
                please answer the questions in the OP
                we have OpenHeart, ridlobeding, and Mercedes who can't say that Jesus knew infallibly and inerrantly which writings were or were not to be included in the Hebrew Canon ..


                Any other Catholics want to weigh in, either to correct or confirm:


                Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                Why should I? He is correct.

                Good going ridlobeding!
                -------------------------

                Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

                Did Jesus know which Hebrew writings were God breathed?
                No.

                Was there any doubt in the mind of Jesus on which of the Hebrew writings were God-breached (Theopneustos).
                Yes.

                Was Jesus infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not be included in the Hebrew Canon?
                No.


                Were the Apostles sure?
                No.

                Did Jesus or the Apostles need any council to tell them what was the correct Hebrew Canon?
                What are the Catholic answers?
                Jesus and the apostles relied entirely on what God had written down for them. Unfortunately God didn't write down for them which of his writings were inspired - so they were lost.
                One of the ekklēsia

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tester View Post
                  Did Jesus know which Hebrew writings were God breathed?
                  Of course - as soon as the Holy Spirit revealed it to Him

                  Were the Apostles sure?
                  Not while Jesus was alive, they didn't have a CLUE. BUT after the Resurrection (John 20:22) they had the same Holy Spirit to instruct them.

                  Did Jesus or the Apostles need any council to tell them what was the correct Hebrew Canon?
                  Yup - God's Council - just like us.

                  What are the Catholic answers?
                  Who cares??

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                  • #10


                    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                    Not while Jesus was alive, they didn't have a CLUE.
                    The apostles knew that only the prophets under the old covenant were inspired.

                    Servants of satan deceive by adding uninspired writers;
                    like Luke the Greek, the author of Hebrews and James
                    to the foundational prophets and apostles
                    (Mat 13:25, Eph 2:20).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tester View Post
                      did jesus know which hebrew writings were god breathed?
                      Was there any doubt in the mind of jesus on which of the hebrew writings were god-breached (theopneustos).
                      was jesus infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not be included in the hebrew canon?
                      were the apostles sure?

                      Did jesus or the apostles need any council to tell them what was the correct hebrew canon?
                      What are the catholic answers?



                      was the catholic church infallibly and inerrantly sure of what writings were or were not be included in the hebrew canon?


                      no misdirections:
                      Please answer the questions in the op
                      wow...
                      Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

                        What does that mean? It's a well established fact that there is no consensus as to whether there was a fixed Hebrew canon. All the writings referenced were considered to have value in some way.
                        we have the prophetic word confirmed (2 Pe 1:19).

                        What happened to those works which weren't written by prophets?

                        The wise men from Rome included those writings in their canon (Mat 13:25, Rev 17:2).




                        In the latter days the word of the LORD
                        shall go forth from Jerusalem
                        (Mic 4:1-2, Isaiah 2:3).



                        Servants of satan deceive by adding uninspired writers;
                        like Luke the Greek, the author of Hebrews and James
                        to the foundational prophets and apostles
                        (Mat 13:25, Eph 2:20).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tester View Post
                          Was Jesus infallibly sure of which Hebrew writings were God breathed?
                          As a Catholic, I was taught to doubt Christ and trust the RC Masters primarily. These awful Catholic attitudes against our Lord are not a shock to me. It is normal in Catholicism. It is so normal, they don't even realize confessing their disrespect publicly online is problematic!

                          LOL.

                          Sect comes first in the twisted RC mind.

                          ...

                          "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Peitho View Post
                            Wow.
                            What do you mean wow? The Hebrew Canon wasn't closed. In Jesus day, the canon inluded only the Torah ("Moses") and the Prophets. The Writings (such as Job, Esther, Chronicles, etc.) were added later in history. Jesus would not have considered them canon.
                            Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                            For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Open Heart View Post
                              In Jesus day, the canon inluded only the Torah ("Moses") and the Prophets. The Writings (such as Job, Esther, Chronicles, etc.) were added later in history. Jesus would not have considered them canon.
                              So YOU know Job and Chronicles are God breathed.....but Jesus Christ did NOT know.

                              How sick a religion you now follow that teaches you know better than God!

                              LOL.

                              ...

                              "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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