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Why do Catholics follow the definition of Apocrypha of the ancient Christian Church?

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  • Why do Catholics follow the definition of Apocrypha of the ancient Christian Church?

    Evangelicals erudites have decided to reject the ancient definition of Apocrypha in favor of Pseudigrapha in order to reject the deuterocanonicals of the OT.

    Why Catholics do not follow the novel decision of Evangelical erudites? Why Catholics follow the ancient Christian Church on this?

  • #2
    Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post
    Evangelicals erudites have decided to reject the ancient definition of Apocrypha in favor of Pseudigrapha in order to reject the deuterocanonicals of the OT.

    Why Catholics do not follow the novel decision of Evangelical erudites? Why Catholics follow the ancient Christian Church on this?
    Jerome rejected the apocrypha. Cardinal cajetan rejected the apocrypha. Maybe they didn't get the memo.
    Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post
      Evangelicals erudites have decided to reject the ancient definition of Apocrypha in favor of Pseudigrapha in order to reject the deuterocanonicals of the OT.

      Why Catholics do not follow the novel decision of Evangelical erudites? Why Catholics follow the ancient Christian Church on this?
      The Septuagint was not the bible used by the Palestinian Jews and quoted by Jesus. It was used by early Christians because it was in Greek not Hebrew.

      It should be quite clear why Trent preferred some of the specific teachings of the Apocrypha (not for use to determine doctrines)

      IT SUPPORTED TEACHINGS THAT THE REFORMERS REJECTED

      ONE. It supported praying to the dead, paying for pardon for sin and for Masses to pardon ones relatives from purgatory, used today in the Catholic CCC.

      2 Maccabees 12:40
      But when they found on each of the dead men, under their tunics, objects dedicated
      to the idols of Jamnia which the Law prohibits to Jews, it became clear to everyone that
      this why these men had lost their lives.

      2 Maccabees 12:43
      After this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand
      drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered

      2 Maccabees 12:46
      Hence, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead, so they might
      be released from their sin.

      TWO. It supports burning heretics to death, a popular means of killing heretics during the Papal Inquisition.

      2 Maccabees 13:8
      Deserved justice, this; since he had committed many sins against the altar, the fire
      and ashes of which were holy, it was in ashes that he met his death.


      THREE. It supports the torture of heretics another popular activity during the Papal Inquisition.


      Ecclesiasticus

      33.27 Yoke and harness will bow the neck, for a bad servant
      torments and the rack.
      33:29 ...if he is disobedient, clap him in irons.

      The ECFs decided the New Testament by the Rule of Faith. Plenty of Apocryphal books where tossed aside.

      That is to determine through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

      We should all recognize that the Deuterocanonicals if judged in the same manner as the NT do NOT belong in the Bible, Gods holy Word.

      No Catholic yet has given us a good reason to accept them given their bad teachings used against protestants in the most cruel manner.

      Jesus did not use them so why should we?

      We protestants do not appreciate being tortured or burnt. Can anyone blame us? Not our bible.

      JohnR
      Last edited by highrigger; 11-09-18, 03:50 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post
        Jerome rejected the apocrypha. Cardinal cajetan rejected the apocrypha. Maybe they didn't get the memo.
        We got the St Augustine memo that vouched for the Septuagint. You received the anti-Christian anti-Apocrypha memo from the Jews and you believed it. Evangelicals are closet anti-Christian anti-Apocrypha nihilists.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post
          Evangelicals erudites have decided to reject the ancient definition of Apocrypha in favor of Pseudigrapha in order to reject the deuterocanonicals of the OT.

          Why Catholics do not follow the novel decision of Evangelical erudites? Why Catholics follow the ancient Christian Church on this?
          This is not correct. To Jerome the term apocrypha meant not to be used for doctrines.

          Harpers Bible Dictionary
          Jerome and the Vulgate
          Page37
          "He (Jerome) treated the apocryphal works as edifying but not to be used for the
          purpose of establishing doctrine."

          JohnR

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          • #6
            Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
            We got the St Augustine memo that vouched for the Septuagint. You received the anti-Christian anti-Apocrypha memo from the Jews and you believed it. Evangelicals are closet anti-Christian anti-Apocrypha nihilists.
            Jerome disagreed with Augustine who supported torture of heretics. He loved those apocrypha.

            I think torture of heretics to be anti-Christian. Do you disagree?

            JohnR

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            • #7
              Originally posted by highrigger View Post
              Jerome disagreed with Augustine who supported torture of heretics. He loved those apocrypha.

              I think torture of heretics to be anti-Christian. Do you disagree?

              JohnR
              So you have no problem with accepting the anti-Christian anti-Apocrypha Masoretic text from the anti-Christian Jews? It's becoming clearer and clearer that evangelicals are anti-Christian.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                So you have no problem with accepting the anti-Christian anti-Apocrypha Masoretic text from the anti-Christian Jews? It's becoming clearer and clearer that evangelicals are anti-Christian.
                I don't know how you come to the conclusions you do.

                JohnR

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post
                  Evangelicals erudites have decided to reject the ancient definition of Apocrypha in favor of Pseudigrapha in order to reject the deuterocanonicals of the OT.

                  Why Catholics do not follow the novel decision of Evangelical erudites? Why Catholics follow the ancient Christian Church on this?
                  The 144.000 ( the ancient church) are the ones who were not defiled
                  with women, for they are virgins
                  (no harlotry with the papacy).

                  These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
                  These were redeemed from among men,
                  being first fruits to God and to the Lamb.
                  And in their mouth was found no deceit,

                  for they are without fault before the throne of God (Rev 14:4-5).


                  Those early Christians, in whose mouth was no deceit,
                  for they only quoted the foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20).
                  They lived before Emperor Constantine
                  forced his version of Christianity upon them, which went beyond what was written.








                  Servants of satan deceive by adding uninspired writers;
                  like Luke the Greek, the author of Hebrews and James
                  to the foundational prophets and apostles
                  (Mat 13:25, Eph 2:20).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                    We got the St Augustine memo that vouched for the Septuagint. You received the anti-Christian anti-Apocrypha memo from the Jews and you believed it. Evangelicals are closet anti-Christian anti-Apocrypha nihilists.
                    Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                      The 144.000 ( the ancient church) are the ones who were not defiled
                      with women, for they are virgins
                      (no harlotry with the papacy).

                      These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
                      These were redeemed from among men,
                      being first fruits to God and to the Lamb.
                      And in their mouth was found no deceit,

                      for they are without fault before the throne of God (Rev 14:4-5).


                      Those early Christians, in whose mouth was no deceit,
                      for they only quoted the foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20).
                      They lived before Emperor Constantine
                      forced his version of Christianity upon them in 325 AD,
                      which went beyond what was written.


                      Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                      We got the St Augustine memo that vouched for the Septuagint.
                      St Augustine (354-430 AD) wasn't one
                      of those
                      in whose mouth was no deceit.


                      .
                      Servants of satan deceive by adding uninspired writers;
                      like Luke the Greek, the author of Hebrews and James
                      to the foundational prophets and apostles
                      (Mat 13:25, Eph 2:20).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by highrigger View Post

                        I don't know how you come to the conclusions you do.

                        JohnR
                        Through historical facts. Try that sometimes, at least.

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                        • #13
                          Can I tag another question onto this thread, CS? A question for nonCC's here.....

                          Is the Protestant canon fixed? If so by what authority and through who? If it is not fixed, is it not legitimate to entertain a wider canon as was the case for the Jews of Jesus time who allowed for the Septuagint?
                          The crones love their cliques!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                            Through historical facts. Try that sometimes, at least.
                            Christian history with its deceptions came after the apostolic word of God
                            Servants of satan deceive by adding uninspired writers;
                            like Luke the Greek, the author of Hebrews and James
                            to the foundational prophets and apostles
                            (Mat 13:25, Eph 2:20).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                              Your inability to offer any counterargument to my factual statements means once again that I accept your white flag.

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