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Paul and Roman Catholics were saved through ceremonial baptism - Titus 3:5

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  • Paul and Roman Catholics were saved through ceremonial baptism - Titus 3:5

    according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
    through the washing of regeneration
    (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
    AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).


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    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
    according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
    through the washing of regeneration
    (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
    AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).
    Originally posted by Philomena View Post

    We understand that the more spiritually mature one becomes, the more we are horrified by our sins.

    Somehow, in Protestantism, it seems to be the reverse (thanks to OSAS).

    Roman Catholics are Once Saved Always Saved by their ceremonial baptism.

    The writer in the letter to Titus guarantees that this ceremony leads to regeneration.

    Why baptism by Protestants doesn't have the same effect needs to be explained.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
      according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
      through the washing of regeneration
      (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
      AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).
      Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post


      it is not how many times we are in the state of grace (be saved) but how one persevere in the state of grace. one should always remain in the state of grace because we will never know when we will we meet our maker.

      'Paul' claimed that he was saved through ceremonial baptism.

      Are you stating that Catholic baptism doesn't really save?


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post




        'Paul' claimed that he was saved through ceremonial baptism.

        Are you stating that Catholic baptism doesn't really save?


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        Think of a Child that is yours and they decide to use heroine. Once they are clean its once saved always saved right? The parent doesn't do the damning. The child does it all their own.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

          according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
          through the washing of regeneration
          (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
          AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).


          Originally posted by utilyan View Post


          Think of a Child that is yours and they decide to use heroine. Once they are clean its once saved always saved right? The parent doesn't do the damning. The child does it all their own.
          Are you teaching a retired alcohol and other drug counsellor about the lack of relapse?



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          • #6
            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
            according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
            through the washing of regeneration
            (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
            AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).
            Why did you ignore the first words in that verse. "not by good works WHICH YOU HAVE DONE, are we saved, but by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

            Yeah! In Baptism, God renews the soul and washes away the sin of THOSE WHO HAVE DONE RIGHTEOUS WORKS.
            Pray!

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            • #7

              Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

              according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
              through the washing of regeneration
              (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
              AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).

              Originally posted by De Maria View Post

              Why did you ignore the first words in that verse. "not by good works WHICH YOU HAVE DONE, are we saved, but by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

              Yeah! In Baptism, God renews the soul and washes away the sin of THOSE WHO HAVE DONE RIGHTEOUS WORKS.
              One ceremony and one is guaranteed eternal life.

              Both Catholics and Protestants
              have unanimously declared the letter to Titus to be the word of God.







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              • #8
                Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





                One ceremony and one is guaranteed eternal life.


                You're wrong. Baptism is a ceremony through which God brings about eternal life for those who persevere in well doing.

                Both Catholics and Protestants
                have unanimously declared the letter to Titus to be the word of God.
                Sooo, you haven't cast this book out of your Bible?

                Pray!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                  according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
                  through the washing of regeneration
                  (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
                  AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).


                  One ceremony and one is guaranteed eternal life.

                  Both Catholics and Protestants
                  have unanimously declared the letter to Titus to be the word of God.

                  Originally posted by De Maria View Post

                  You're wrong. Baptism is a ceremony through which God brings about eternal life for those who persevere in well doing.



                  Sooo, you haven't cast this book out of your Bible?
                  Paul couldn't have written about justification through baptism
                  for justification comes after hearing by faith.

                  Deal with that contradiction.
                  rather then rejoice in the absurdity of being saved by a ritual,
                  which some babies manage to sleep through.









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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                    [COLOR=#0000CD]Paul couldn't have written about justification through baptism
                    for justification comes after hearing by faith.
                    Yeah, exactly. Justification comes after hearing by faith and receiving Baptism. Everyone who believes Jesus, understands. Listen to Jesus' words:

                    Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

                    Deal with that contradiction.
                    There is no contradiction.

                    rather then rejoice in the absurdity of being saved by a ritual,
                    which some babies manage to sleep through.
                    The absurdity is not believing that Christ will save us exactly how He said He will:

                    1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
                    Pray!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                      according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
                      through the washing of regeneration
                      (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
                      AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).


                      One ceremony and one is guaranteed eternal life.

                      Both Catholics and Protestants
                      have unanimously declared the letter to Titus to be the word of God.
                      Originally posted by De Maria View Post

                      Yeah, exactly. Justification comes after hearing by faith and receiving Baptism.
                      Why an unregenerate person would seek to be baptised needs an explanation.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


                        Why an unregenerate person would seek to be baptised needs an explanation.

                        Christianity 101.

                        2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

                        John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

                        John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

                        God has called us and those who accept His calling, will seek Baptism and obey His commands:

                        Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
                        Pray!

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                        • #13

                          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post



                          Why an unregenerate person would seek to be baptised needs an explanation.


                          Originally posted by De Maria View Post

                          Christianity 101.

                          2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

                          Unregenerate gentiles aren't called by God's name.

                          Originally posted by De Maria View Post


                          Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
                          Was Jesus made perfect before or after his baptism?

                          Your theology not mine!




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                          Last edited by Conqueror; 12-07-18, 06:35 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





                            Are you teaching a retired alcohol and other drug counsellor about the lack of relapse?


                            In the same way the problem is the drug not the prison sentence for using the drug. Salvation saves you from sinning. Rather than thinking sinning is some licenced perk that you get in trouble for doing if you don't have a license.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by utilyan View Post

                              Salvation saves you from sinning.
                              Foot in mouth disease.


                              It should be obvious to any observer,
                              that no Roman Catholic can possibly be saved in that case.



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