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  • #16
    Originally posted by Atemi View Post

    It is not faith that brings most of these Catholics.
    So much generalization. Even if they bring them only because they want them to go to heaven and be with God if they should die, than that is a tiny seed of faith.

    It is superstition and peer pressure.

    Christ is barely even on their radar.
    Barely? Barely may indeed be true for some, but barely is still a tiny seed?

    That is what happens when you baptize non believers and tell these ungodly folks they are Christians and are born again and temples of the Holy Spirit.

    All lies.



    That would explain your posts here and the posts of your Catholic pals.

    ...
    Well it can sometimes be easier to see things in others more than ourselves, even when both act the same.
    Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
    and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
      Acts 10:48 "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

      What do you think would have happened, if they had said they didn't want to be baptized?

      Would they have been considered part of the Church by Peter and the others or would they have walked away and had nothing more to do with them?
      This is a good thread. I wish it doesn't just fall to oblivion because Evangelicals cannot answer the tough questions.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
        Acts 10:48 "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

        What do you think would have happened, if they had said they didn't want to be baptized?

        Would they have been considered part of the Church by Peter and the others or would they have walked away and had nothing more to do with them?
        They were baptized because they were already believers.

        Acts 10:44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard his message.

        Unlike in Catholicism where unbelievers are baptized making Catholic baptism meaningless and useless.

        Catholic baptism is a major reason why there are so many unsaved baptized Catholics around thinking they are working their way to salvation. Pure evil and deceptive scheme created by the Catholic Church to pull the wool over their flock and to try to keep them away from Jesus Christ.
        "Cults use Christian terminology, but redefine terms to suit their own belief and practices."-Dr. Walter Martin

        Catholicism's doctrines of demons:

        1TI 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
        1TI 4:3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
          Acts 10:48 "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

          What do you think would have happened, if they had said they didn't want to be baptized?

          Would they have been considered part of the Church by Peter and the others or would they have walked away and had nothing more to do with them?
          Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard his message.

          They were baptized because they were already believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

          Unlike in Catholicism, where they created a devilish scheme to baptize unbelievers to fool them they are on their way to salvation by that baptism. That evil scheme was created to keep Catholics away from salvation through Jesus Christ.
          "Cults use Christian terminology, but redefine terms to suit their own belief and practices."-Dr. Walter Martin

          Catholicism's doctrines of demons:

          1TI 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
          1TI 4:3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Doug View Post

            Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard his message.

            They were baptized because they were already believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

            Unlike in Catholicism, where they created a devilish scheme to baptize unbelievers to fool them they are on their way to salvation by that baptism. That evil scheme was created to keep Catholics away from salvation through Jesus Christ.
            Can't answer the question I asked, Doug? I didn't ask why they were baptized.
            Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
            and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post

              This is a good thread. I wish it doesn't just fall to oblivion because Evangelicals cannot answer the tough questions.
              It surprises me that it is seen as meaningless. I've always questioned what would happen if people in the OT refused to do the things they were told to do.

              Abraham's faith was counted as righteousness, because he believed God, but what if he had believed and then not offered Isaac?

              Noah was saved through the water, while everybody else laughed, mocked and ultimately perished, but what if he hadn't built the ark and climbed aboard?

              Cornelius was used to show that Gentiles could also have the Holy Spirit, but what if he hadn't followed through with baptism?

              As James explains so well that faith and action have to work together. You can't have one without the other, but many will say that scripture is just about being justified before man, and not God because they were being called brothers and sisters and they follow the false idea of Once Saved Always Saved. Yet we see that the scripture was fulfilled because his belief lead to action and he was therefore considered a friend of God. If he'd stop doing what God commanded, would he have continued to be a friend?


              Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
              and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

                Can't answer the question I asked, Doug? I didn't ask why they were baptized.
                Oh sorry, didn't realize you were projecting in order to somehow prop up Catholicism.

                The text doesn't support Catholic baptism being necessary for salvation. Nice try anyways.

                "Cults use Christian terminology, but redefine terms to suit their own belief and practices."-Dr. Walter Martin

                Catholicism's doctrines of demons:

                1TI 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
                1TI 4:3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

                  It surprises me that it is seen as meaningless. I've always questioned what would happen if people in the OT refused to do the things they were told to do.

                  Abraham's faith was counted as righteousness, because he believed God, but what if he had believed and then not offered Isaac?

                  Noah was saved through the water, while everybody else laughed, mocked and ultimately perished, but what if he hadn't built the ark and climbed aboard?

                  Cornelius was used to show that Gentiles could also have the Holy Spirit, but what if he hadn't followed through with baptism?

                  As James explains so well that faith and action have to work together. You can't have one without the other, but many will say that scripture is just about being justified before man, and not God because they were being called brothers and sisters and they follow the false idea of Once Saved Always Saved. Yet we see that the scripture was fulfilled because his belief lead to action and he was therefore considered a friend of God. If he'd stop doing what God commanded, would he have continued to be a friend?

                  Amen. Another great thread entirely ignored by Evangelicals, because they cannot provide answers.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
                    Acts 10:48 "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

                    What do you think would have happened, if they had said they didn't want to be baptized?

                    Would they have been considered part of the Church by Peter and the others or would they have walked away and had nothing more to do with them?
                    They didn't, so your entire thread is pretty moot.

                    It's amazing that Catholics cannot comprehend the working of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer.
                    ~~~My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My Father's hand~~~

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post

                      Amen. Another great thread entirely ignored by Evangelicals, because they cannot provide answers.
                      Pretty ridiculous to ask people to provide answer to a "what if" question....

                      And Catholics cheer as if they have accomplished something from a thread about a made up, moot scenario.

                      And this is what Catholics consider a great thread. smh.
                      ~~~My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My Father's hand~~~

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
                        Acts 10:48 "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

                        What do you think would have happened, if they had said they didn't want to be baptized?

                        Would they have been considered part of the Church by Peter and the others or would they have walked away and had nothing more to do with them?
                        Why would these Holy Spirit empowered Gentile believers decline to be baptized?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by 4Him View Post

                          Pretty ridiculous to ask people to provide answer to a "what if" question....

                          And Catholics cheer as if they have accomplished something from a thread about a made up, moot scenario.

                          And this is what Catholics consider a great thread. smh.
                          That's what I was wondering too. It looks desperate to me.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Angels_Sing View Post

                            Why would these Holy Spirit empowered Gentile believers decline to be baptized?
                            Why does anybody sin?
                            Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
                            and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by 4Him View Post

                              Pretty ridiculous to ask people to provide answer to a "what if" question....

                              And Catholics cheer as if they have accomplished something from a thread about a made up, moot scenario.

                              And this is what Catholics consider a great thread. smh.
                              Why is it ridiculous? Do you never examine things from different perspectives, or ask questions?

                              The Bible shows us what was done, because that is what is necessary.

                              But then people here say it's not necessary.

                              So I'm asking the question what would have happened to that group if they took the advice of those here who say it's not necessary?

                              Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
                              and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Angels_Sing View Post

                                That's what I was wondering too. It looks desperate to me.
                                Looks desperate?

                                I think the ones who look desperate are the ones who are unable to think on a simple question and eventually provide their simple answer instead of only ask more questions, but never answers are the ridiculous or desperate ones.

                                That's a common reaction though of some. When you can't answer the question without compromising your own belief, make the asker of the question look stupid.

                                Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
                                and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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