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    16th Century new church wasn't the confessional church of the ancient creeds, but rather it was the newly formed post Trent Roman Catholic Church.

    Nic
    1Co 1:30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
    1Co 1:31 so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."

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    Originally posted by Nic View Post
    16th Century new church wasn't the confessional church of the ancient creeds, but rather it was the newly formed post Trent Roman Catholic Church.

    Nic
    Can you be more specific? Maybe give an example of contradiction between pre and post Trent Church?
    "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nic View Post
      16th Century new church wasn't the confessional church of the ancient creeds, but rather it was the newly formed post Trent Roman Catholic Church.

      Nic
      Doctrinally, what significant changes were made in the Catholic Church before and after Trent that leads you to this idea that the post-Trent CC was an entirely new Church?
      Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nic View Post
        16th Century new church wasn't the confessional church of the ancient creeds, but rather it was the newly formed post Trent Roman Catholic Church.

        Nic
        Here's some added context.
        The bold above "the confessional church of the ancient creeds" can and aptly refers to the conservative reformers. In contradistinction to the often levied opinion against the conservative reformers, the post Tridentine church was the new church that emerged out of the 16th century.

        Nic
        1Co 1:30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
        1Co 1:31 so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nic View Post
          16th Century new church wasn't the confessional church of the ancient creeds, but rather it was the newly formed post Trent Roman Catholic Church.

          Nic
          Dan 2:44 In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.




          Mt 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:“‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;
          the Lord has done this,
          and it is marvelous in our eyes’?
          43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”



          Blessings
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nic View Post
            16th Century new church wasn't the confessional church of the ancient creeds, but rather it was the newly formed post Trent Roman Catholic Church.

            Nic
            Trent was a huge meeting in the RCC, a lot of people got anathematized during the event. There were some new innovations introduced during the event, but I don't think it really made the RCC "new" at all.

            The RCC has always had new dogmas, doctrines and disciplines imposed, new saints, storylines, apparitions and promises explained.

            Just more of the same IMHO.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nic View Post
              Here's some added context.
              The bold above "the confessional church of the ancient creeds" can and aptly refers to the conservative reformers. In contradistinction to the often levied opinion against the conservative reformers, the post Tridentine church was the new church that emerged out of the 16th century.

              Nic
              I still have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you seriously trying to say that the early church was Protestant and the Catholic Church didn't emerge before Trent, because that's what it sounds like.
              "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post

                I still have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you seriously trying to say that the early church was Protestant and the Catholic Church didn't emerge before Trent, because that's what it sounds like.
                That would be interesting, because if that was the case, then what were the reformers protesting?
                Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
                and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post

                  I still have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you seriously trying to say that the early church was Protestant and the Catholic Church didn't emerge before Trent, because that's what it sounds like.
                  The NT church was not Roman Catholic ...it gradually apostatized into the RC church we see today
                  Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Southsider View Post

                    Trent was a huge meeting in the RCC, a lot of people got anathematized during the event. There were some new innovations introduced during the event, but I don't think it really made the RCC "new" at all.

                    The RCC has always had new dogmas, doctrines and disciplines imposed, new saints, storylines, apparitions and promises explained.

                    Just more of the same IMHO.
                    Yes I agree there were innovations, but not just Trent even before Trent the Western Church of Rome was innovative throughout her history. These innovations are the very reasons why we know that the post Tridentine church was once again demonstrating that it was not the confessional church who confess the ancient creeds unlike the conservative reformers who derived their confession from a both a scriptural, historical perspective. This is why it was the conservative reformers and not the papal church confessed the confession of ancient creeds.

                    Nic
                    1Co 1:30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
                    1Co 1:31 so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post

                      I still have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you seriously trying to say that the early church was Protestant and the Catholic Church didn't emerge before Trent, because that's what it sounds like.
                      No. I did not say the early church was Protestant. Perhaps read my reply to Southsider for further context.

                      Nic
                      1Co 1:30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
                      1Co 1:31 so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

                        That would be interesting, because if that was the case, then what were the reformers protesting?
                        the unbiblical teachings of the RCC.
                        "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                        The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mica View Post
                          the unbiblical teachings of the RCC.
                          That would prove the RCC was the church before trent that he's trying to say wasn't.
                          Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
                          and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

                            That would prove the RCC was the church before trent that he's trying to say wasn't.
                            What it proves is the RCC was already promoting things that belonged to other religions and lost it's place as a truthful and inspiring church of real Christianity.

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                            • #15
                              The Council of Trent formally anathematized the gospel.

                              Nic
                              1Co 1:30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
                              1Co 1:31 so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."

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