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  • Assumed . . . or . . . Translated?

    The Bible infallibly tells us that Elijah was "translated" up to heaven. The Bible never says that Mary was "assumed" up to heaven - that, of course is just one more made-up nonsense tale created by the story-tellers of the Roman Catholic Church. According to the teachings of the RCC, what is the difference in being "translated" up to heaven, and "assumed" up to heaven?
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
    The Bible infallibly tells us that Elijah was "translated" up to heaven. The Bible never says that Mary was "assumed" up to heaven - that, of course is just one more made-up nonsense tale created by the story-tellers of the Roman Catholic Church. According to the teachings of the RCC, what is the difference in being "translated" up to heaven, and "assumed" up to heaven?
    The difference is that scripture tells us that Elijah was 'translated' - while the Catholic church's teaching regarding Mary being 'assumed' is just an ASSUMPTION on their part.

    Sorry......couldn't resist.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bonlee View Post

      The difference is that scripture tells us that Elijah was 'translated' - while the Catholic church's teaching regarding Mary being 'assumed' is just an ASSUMPTION on their part.

      Sorry......couldn't resist.
      LOL - no need to say "sorry" Bonlee. Your answer is totally understandable and acceptable. As you can see, no Roman Catholics have uttered one one word in answer to the question in the OP - I "assume" that Roman Catholicism then does not have an answer as to why they teach that Mary was "assumed," but Elijah was "translated."
      RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
        The Bible infallibly tells us that Elijah was "translated" up to heaven.

        Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven - (2 Kings 2:11)

        No one has ascended to heaven (John 3:13).

        Can a Roman Catholic explain to a protestant,
        that the apostolic word of God is binding
        on earth as it is in heaven (Mat 16:19)?

        Therefore neither Elijah or Mary can be in heaven
        before the judgement on the last day.









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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
          The Bible infallibly tells us that Elijah was "translated" up to heaven. The Bible never says that Mary was "assumed" up to heaven - that, of course is just one more made-up nonsense tale created by the story-tellers of the Roman Catholic Church. According to the teachings of the RCC, what is the difference in being "translated" up to heaven, and "assumed" up to heaven?
          If you have already decided that it is made-up nonsense why would you want to know the difference?
          "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot

          "There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still." Betsy ten Boom

          "God in His deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since He has in Himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love." John Paul II

          ’Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.’ One of the greatest responses in all of scripture.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


            Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven - (2 Kings 2:11)

            No one has ascended to heaven (John 3:13).

            Can a Roman Catholic explain to a protestant,
            that the apostolic word of God is binding
            on earth as it is in heaven (Mat 16:19)?

            Therefore neither Elijah or Mary can be in heaven
            before the judgement on the last day.

            Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

            If you have already decided that it is made-up nonsense why would you want to know the difference?
            Can't you defend your faith?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

              If you have already decided that it is made-up nonsense why would you want to know the difference?
              Oh, I see, you can't answer the question again huh?
              RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                The Bible infallibly tells us that Elijah was "translated" up to heaven. The Bible never says that Mary was "assumed" up to heaven - that, of course is just one more made-up nonsense tale created by the story-tellers of the Roman Catholic Church. According to the teachings of the RCC, what is the difference in being "translated" up to heaven, and "assumed" up to heaven?
                why not tell us first your take on the words so we can tell you if you are correct or wrong?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                  ... According to the teachings of the RCC, what is the difference in being "translated" up to heaven, and "assumed" up to heaven?
                  1828 Webster's Dictionary:

                  ASSU'MED, pp. Taken; arrogated; taken without proof; pretended.
                  AR'ROGATE, To assume, demand or challenge more than is proper; to make undue claims, from vanity or false pretensions to right or merit; as, the Pope arrogated dominion over kings.
                  1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                    Oh, I see, you can't answer the question again huh?
                    Why do you want it answered?
                    "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot

                    "There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still." Betsy ten Boom

                    "God in His deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since He has in Himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love." John Paul II

                    ’Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.’ One of the greatest responses in all of scripture.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bonlee View Post

                      The difference is that scripture tells us that Elijah was 'translated' - while the Catholic church's teaching regarding Mary being 'assumed' is just an ASSUMPTION on their part.

                      Sorry......couldn't resist.
                      Touche!
                      Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
                      and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

                        Why do you want it answered?
                        This is a discussion forum, correct - a place where questions are asked and answers are discussed
                        RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

                          If you have already decided that it is made-up nonsense why would you want to know the difference?
                          rldl, My post says - "According to the teachings of the RCC, what is the difference in being "translated" up to heaven, and "assumed" up to heaven?"
                          RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                            why not tell us first your take on the words so we can tell you if you are correct or wrong?
                            Using the word that the Roman Catholic Church uses to tell their own story as to 'whatever happened to Mary' since God's Holy Word makes NO MENTION of her after Pentecost Sunday, so the Roman Catholic Church then made up a story and used the word "Assumption" to memorialize Mary with the help of their spin doctors, and then they quickly popularized their story and published it, and foolish, dull minded and spiritually disillusioned Roman Catholics believe it as if it was the truth of God's Word - the vast majority of Roman Catholics worldwide don't even realize that the deceptive fable of the "Assumption of Mary" is just another work of Satan to take all focus off of Jesus and place it on Mary.
                            RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                              The Bible infallibly tells us that Elijah was "translated" up to heaven. The Bible never says that Mary was "assumed" up to heaven - that, of course is just one more made-up nonsense tale created by the story-tellers of the Roman Catholic Church. According to the teachings of the RCC, what is the difference in being "translated" up to heaven, and "assumed" up to heaven?
                              There is no definitive way to defend this, other than believing that the Pope and Magisterium guided by the Holy Spirit were led to this divine revelation and pronouncement.

                              It is argued that it fits the character of Christ to not allow His earthly mother to die a typical death, but at the same time, I don't see how any could say it would be against His character if she did indeed die an earthly death.

                              Yet since there is no record of her death nor any burial spot located, and since like the 4th century there were memorials and such that held to the idea that she was assumed into Heaven body and soul, after years of prayer and discussion it was divinely revealed to the pope/magisterium that they should go ahead and make it doctrine.

                              It's all part and parcel of accepting that the Catholic Church magisterium is led by the holy spirit.

                              Of course this is why lay people like me, daily struggle with these kind of teachings, but few will openly admit it.

                              It is indeed very hard to reconcile the idea that the organazation is being guided by the Holy Spirit to make such a divine revelation without error that took until 1950 to affirm, while they simultaneously create confusion amongst themselves, commit abominable acts against each other and the laity, and literally change some teachings like the death penalty through development of doctrine because of deeper understanding.

                              So is it made up nonsense or divine revelation? Only you can decide.
                              Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
                              and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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