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  • Literally, RCC border between heaven and hell

    Yesterday was the Ascension Holy Day of Obligation in the RCC. Roman Catholics were required to attend a special mass, if they failed to do so it was a Mortal Sin which would mean they would be condemned to hell, no questions asked. But only if they are on the left side of the road here-in Pennsylvania. On the right side RC's wouldn't have to do anything because they are in Ohio.

    This is the kind of thing that makes me think that the Magisterium is just jerking around the Roman Catholic Rank and File.

    There is nothing in scripture, certainly nothing in the Acts 1 narrative of Jesus' ascension, that would clue people in on the idea of mandatory- attend or else- ceremonies, or borderlines of compliance.


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  • #2
    Originally posted by Southsider View Post
    This is the kind of thing that makes me think that the Magisterium is just jerking around the Roman Catholic Rank and File.
    We used to have a Priest at St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Church in Holbrook MA, who wore a robe and a cowl, which made him look like a vampire. Somehow I felt that it was appropriate -

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Southsider View Post
      Yesterday was the Ascension Holy Day of Obligation in the RCC. Roman Catholics were required to attend a special mass, if they failed to do so it was a Mortal Sin which would mean they would be condemned to hell, no questions asked. But only if they are on the left side of the road here-in Pennsylvania. On the right side RC's wouldn't have to do anything because they are in Ohio.

      This is the kind of thing that makes me think that the Magisterium is just jerking around the Roman Catholic Rank and File.

      There is nothing in scripture, certainly nothing in the Acts 1 narrative of Jesus' ascension, that would clue people in on the idea of mandatory- attend or else- ceremonies, or borderlines of compliance.


      https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2320...7i13312!8i6656
      I'll never understand how so many people can believe not going to mass can send them to hell.

      Well done, Satan. Well done.
      2 Corinthians 5:7 ~ for we walk by faith, not by sight

      Romans 10:9 ~ that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

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      • #4
        Originally posted by illini1959 View Post
        I'll never understand how so many people can believe not going to mass can send them to hell.

        Well done, Satan. Well done.
        yes, he has them convinced they are part of Christ's church... such deception!

        the RCC, the supposed apostolic church, teaches contrary to what Paul taught.
        I don't remember and haven't heard or read that the CC has assigned any sin to the new moon. Maybe they're in the process of developing one for that!

        Col 2.16 kjv

        Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


        "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

        The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mica View Post
          yes, he has them convinced they are part of Christ's church... such deception!

          the RCC, the supposed apostolic church, teaches contrary to what Paul taught.
          I don't remember and haven't heard or read that the CC has assigned any sin to the new moon. Maybe they're in the process of developing one for that!

          Col 2.16 kjv

          Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

          What kills me is it seems everything leads to damnation.

          Not going to mass = loss of salvation. Verses they post about 'warnings' and God's discipline are almost always taken to mean one's salvation is at stake.

          Every warning doesn't mean we're doomed; every disciplinary action doesn't throw people in hell.

          What does throw people in hell is, sadly, lost on them.
          2 Corinthians 5:7 ~ for we walk by faith, not by sight

          Romans 10:9 ~ that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

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          • #6
            Originally posted by illini1959 View Post

            I'll never understand how so many people can believe not going to mass can send them to hell.

            Well done, Satan. Well done.

            What's is really astounding to me is that only people on one side of the street are required to attend, but those on the other side don't.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Southsider View Post


              What's is really astounding to me is that only people on one side of the street are required to attend, but those on the other side don't.
              A Catholic is bound to the disciplines laid out by the bishop of their diocese; the obligation for the Holy Day can be modified and moved to the nearest Sunday. From the Code of Canon Law:

              Can. 1246 2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday

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              • #8
                Originally posted by illini1959 View Post

                I'll never understand how so many people can believe not going to mass can send them to hell.

                Well done, Satan. Well done.

                And remember the collection plate is passed on their required days ..a few more coins to clink in the collection box
                Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by smiley View Post
                  A Catholic is bound to the disciplines laid out by the bishop of their diocese; the obligation for the Holy Day can be modified and moved to the nearest Sunday. From the Code of Canon Law:
                  oh, so many little popes around the world! and they can all make up something different!

                  rules made up by men...

                  Can. 1246 2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday
                  the not apostolic see - it's the unapostolic blind leading the blind!

                  "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                  The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Southsider View Post


                    What's is really astounding to me is that only people on one side of the street are required to attend, but those on the other side don't.
                    So someone's eternity is subject to the whim of a person. Over a day.

                    Over an issue that is not taught to condemn a person to eternal separation from God.

                    Am I understanding this correctly?

                    2 Corinthians 5:7 ~ for we walk by faith, not by sight

                    Romans 10:9 ~ that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mica View Post
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                      oh, so many little popes around the world! and they can all make up something different!
                      Not "little popes"; bishops who are each in charge of their own dioceses

                      rules made up by men...
                      Yes, men who were given authority through Apostolic Succession, which was set up by Christ. And yes, I know you don't believe in Apostolic Succession.


                      the not apostolic see - it's the unapostolic blind leading the blind!
                      Whatever you say.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by illini1959 View Post

                        So someone's eternity is subject to the whim of a person. Over a day.

                        Over an issue that is not taught to condemn a person to eternal separation from God.

                        Am I understanding this correctly?
                        No, you're not understanding this correctly. The decision to suspend the Holy Day obligation (or move it to Sunday) was almost certainly not done on a whim.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by smiley View Post

                          No, you're not understanding this correctly. The decision to suspend the Holy Day obligation (or move it to Sunday) was almost certainly not done on a whim.


                          It appears I'm understanding correctly, though, that this is an issue that has (supposed) eternal consequences and is nowhere based on scripture.

                          It's telling that the only objection you made was to my use of the word 'whim'.

                          2 Corinthians 5:7 ~ for we walk by faith, not by sight

                          Romans 10:9 ~ that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by illini1959 View Post



                            It appears I'm understanding correctly, though, that this is an issue that has (supposed) eternal consequences and is nowhere based on scripture.

                            It's telling that the only objection you made was to my use of the word 'whim'.
                            That was only one objection. Of course I object to your assertion that it is nowhere based on scripture.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by illini1959 View Post

                              So someone's eternity is subject to the whim of a person. Over a day.

                              Over an issue that is not taught to condemn a person to eternal separation from God.

                              Am I understanding this correctly?
                              You are understanding it the way I am understanding it.

                              And this is one of the reason, IMHO, why the RCC has such a problem with the Sex Scandals.

                              If a clergy member has the power and authority to draw a line on a map, that would condemn you to hell for not attending a ceremony, its got to be tough to snitch on him to the civil authorities.





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