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  • Repetitive

    Why is the Catholic Mass so repetitive? Iíve been going to a Lutheran Church and a non denom church and the services are never boring or repetition.

  • #2
    Originally posted by BaptistCrusader
    are you looking for fun at a worship service? is the rock band nice at the non denom church?

    lutheran services are similar to catholic so your comment is odd. maybe try another parish?
    don't need a rock band to have fun and enjoy a gathering with other believers. praising and rejoicing in God's word, it is joyful. It should come from the hearts of those who are His. the Mass is boring and repetitive - it's preformulated / scripted. Even the prayers aren't from the hearts of those there - they're prewritten by the RCC.

    I find sharing with other believers in hearing and learning His word to a very enjoyable time.
    btw, I read nothing in Faith's post about a rock band or fun. Is that your idea of fun?

    Last edited by mica; 06-04-19, 04:41 AM.
    "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

    The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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    • #3
      When I look at the text of Lutheran divine service, it closely parallels the Roman mass. There are plenty of things that repeat in the Lutheran service, so I am not sure why you are claiming that is much different from the Catholic. You may want to try masses at different parishes, colleges, etc.

      The Eastern Catholic divine liturgy that I am familiar with is much different from either the typical Roman Catholic mass or the Lutheran service. For one thing the who liturgy is sung without musical instruments, and the music changes depending to the time of year and the particular Sunday. For another, the divine liturgy is comes from the liturgy of the Greek Church so the prayers are significantly different as well.

      A key feature of the mass/divine liturgy is that is meant to prepare us to receive Christ into our lives.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Theophilos View Post
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        A key feature of the mass/divine liturgy is that is meant to prepare us to receive Christ into our lives.
        Receive Christ into our lives? Not sure what you mean by that; is it that Christ comes in and out of our lives and that the mass/divine liturgy brings him back in?
        1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
          Why is the Catholic Mass so repetitive?
          Repetition follows the model of the eternal worship of the Angels and Saints in heaven. See Revelation 4 (emphasis added).



          8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all round and within, and day and night they never cease to sing,

          "Holy, holy, holy,[d] is the Lord God Almighty,
          who was and is and is to come!"

          9 And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever; they cast their crowns before the throne, singing,

          11 "Worthy art thou, our Lord and God,
          to receive glory and honor and power,
          for thou didst create all things,
          and by thy will they existed and were created."
          "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
            Why is the Catholic Mass so repetitive? Iíve been going to a Lutheran Church and a non denom church and the services are never boring or repetition.
            Because its scripted. Man made religion can't worship from the heart. I've been to mass and its simply a memorized skit basically. There was a guy who had the timing down so well, he'd pop in the side door as people were lining up for communion then pop right back out the side door. You can set your watch by the mass. Once you get it down you don't even have to pay attention. Sit, kneel, bow, repeat this, pray, shuffle up and eat god, lunch. I also wondered why every prayer is read from a book? Can't these people ever pray to God from the heart? In my church there are people praying from the heart multiple times before and after the sermon. And we don't have some kid running up with a book of pre written prayers to read. When you know God, you know how to talk to God. When you don't i suppose you read it out of a prayer book. Sad.
            Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
              Receive Christ into our lives? Not sure what you mean by that; is it that Christ comes in and out of our lives and that the mass/divine liturgy brings him back in?
              Receiving Christ daily, weekly or yearly isn't biblical.

              John 1:12
              12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, NASB

              Those born again have received Him..past tense. And He dwells in us forever. Another lie of the devil is that we can or have to actually eat god. Rituals don't save, believing in our savior does. Catholics need to come out of that religion to the light of His gospel and be saved. Time is short.

              Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rudder View Post

                Repetition follows the model of the eternal worship of the Angels and Saints in heaven. See Revelation 4 (emphasis added).



                8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all round and within, and day and night they never cease to sing,

                "Holy, holy, holy,[d] is the Lord God Almighty,
                who was and is and is to come!"

                9 And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever; they cast their crowns before the throne, singing,

                11 "Worthy art thou, our Lord and God,
                to receive glory and honor and power,
                for thou didst create all things,
                and by thy will they existed and were created."
                All of the protestants I know do that continually. Not just on Sundays.

                If he had meant to cast you away he would have done so long ago. If he wanted reasons for rejecting you he had reasons from all eternity, for he knew what you would be. No sin in you has been a surprise to him. ó C.H. Spurgeon

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Howie View Post
                  All of the protestants I know do that continually. Not just on Sundays.
                  Excellent.
                  "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BaptistCrusader

                    are you looking for fun at a worship service? is the rock band nice at the non denom church?

                    lutheran services are similar to catholic so your comment is odd. maybe try another parish?
                    Itís odd that youíd assume that. The Lutheran Church Iíve been visiting is very modern with a praise band and the way itís conducted isnít at all like a Catholic Mass. HTH.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mica View Post
                      don't need a rock band to have fun and enjoy a gathering with other believers. praising and rejoicing in God's word, it is joyful. It should come from the hearts of those who are His. the Mass is boring and repetitive - it's preformulated / scripted. Even the prayers aren't from the hearts of those there - they're prewritten by the RCC.

                      I find sharing with other believers in hearing and learning His word to a very enjoyable time.
                      btw, I read nothing in Faith's post about a rock band or fun. Is that your idea of fun?
                      There are rock bands at both churches but like I told Father in Confession once, I donít see anything wrong with worshipping AND having a nice time. He couldnít argue with me there.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

                        It’s odd that you’d assume that. The Lutheran Church I’ve been visiting is very modern with a praise band and the way it’s conducted isn’t at all like a Catholic Mass. HTH.
                        In my experience, it is often common for a parish to offer both a "traditional" service and a "contemporary" service (using modern praise music, often accompanied by guitar and other instruments). The purpose is to accommodate persons of differing preferences. I saw this both in a Lutheran parish that I once attended and, also, at my old Catholic parish.
                        "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Theophilos View Post

                          A key feature of the mass/divine liturgy is that is meant to prepare us to receive Christ into our lives.
                          If you are at mass, haven't you already 'received Christ into your life"???? What does that even mean?



                          ~~~My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My Father's hand~~~

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rudder View Post
                            Repetition follows the model of the eternal worship of the Angels and Saints in heaven. See Revelation 4 (emphasis added).


                            8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all round and within, and day and night they never cease to sing,

                            "Holy, holy, holy,[d] is the Lord God Almighty,
                            who was and is and is to come!"

                            9 And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever; they cast their crowns before the throne, singing,

                            11 "Worthy art thou, our Lord and God,
                            to receive glory and honor and power,
                            for thou didst create all things,
                            and by thy will they existed and were created."
                            so catholics never cease to sing?

                            and fall down on 'the throne' and worship Him? cast their crowns before Him? what crowns do they cast?

                            the Him in that verse is not the RCC, pope or Mary.

                            "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                            The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

                              It’s odd that you’d assume that. The Lutheran Church I’ve been visiting is very modern with a praise band and the way it’s conducted isn’t at all like a Catholic Mass. HTH.
                              Greetings Faith1960,

                              lutherans and catholics have very similar services. what are the key difference you have observed?

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