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    My wife and I recently made a Holy pilgrimage to Middle east where Christianity started. Most of these sacred and holy sites were either Jewish, Muslim, or Christian areas. In those areas that are under Christianity, it was either Eastern Orthodox or Catholic (mostly franciscans). I am just wondering where the Non-Catholic christians will fit if they make a claim of historic/apostolic christianity?

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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    My wife and I recently made a Holy pilgrimage to Middle east where Christianity started. Most of these sacred and holy sites were either Jewish, Muslim, or Christian areas. In those areas that are under Christianity, it was either Eastern Orthodox or Catholic (mostly franciscans). I am just wondering where the Non-Catholic christians will fit if they make a claim of historic/apostolic christianity?
    Why when Christians are looking forward to the New Jerusalem?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Angels_Sing View Post

      Why when Christians are looking forward to the New Jerusalem?
      The “new Jerusalem” is a symbol of the Church, the bride of Christ. As such it exists both in heaven and on Earth through the communion of saints. At the Last Judgment, it will exist in the transformed world through the resurrection.

      (Rev. 19:7; Rev. 21:2; Rev. 21:10; Gal. 4:26)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
        My wife and I recently made a Holy pilgrimage to Middle east where Christianity started. Most of these sacred and holy sites were either Jewish, Muslim, or Christian areas. In those areas that are under Christianity, it was either Eastern Orthodox or Catholic (mostly franciscans). I am just wondering where the Non-Catholic christians will fit if they make a claim of historic/apostolic christianity?
        Ours is the full Apostolic Faith that believes in both Christ and His Body (the Church) and not in a disembodied Christ.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
          My wife and I recently made a Holy pilgrimage to Middle east where Christianity started. Most of these sacred and holy sites were either Jewish, Muslim, or Christian areas. In those areas that are under Christianity, it was either Eastern Orthodox or Catholic (mostly franciscans). I am just wondering where the Non-Catholic christians will fit if they make a claim of historic/apostolic christianity?
          Christians are Christians. We are the body. Our citizenship is in heaven; Phil 3::20. Thats where we fit in.
          Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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          • #6
            Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
            Ours is the full Apostolic Faith that believes in both Christ and His Body (the Church) and not in a disembodied Christ.
            The full apostolic faith? Why isn't any of it in the bible? Why can't catholics show us all their sacred tradition? Why doesn't any catholic know how many verses its 'infallible' leadership has defined in 2000 years (allegedly). Where is the definitive list of all dogmas? Full apostolic faith? Not by a long shot.
            Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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            • #7
              Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
              Ours is the full Apostolic Faith that believes in both Christ and His Body (the Church) and not in a disembodied Christ.
              Show me one place where evangelicals teach that Christ is disembodied. We believe that he ascended bodily into heaven and will return the same way. We just refuse to believe that we are to literally eat Him piece by piece every single day.
              The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.Psalms 12:6

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post
                christians are Christians. We are the body. Our citizenship is in heaven; Phil 3::20. Thats where we fit in.
                jesus has only one body not many bodies of christians of different denominations.

                the groom/jesus is married only to one bride/church. it is not a polygamous relationship of many brides/ churches.

                if you go to v. 16 Meanwhile, let us all be of the same mind, all follow the same rule, according to the progress we have made... ask yourself if all protestants have the same mind and the same rule. what do you think?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                  The full apostolic faith? Why isn't any of it in the bible? Why can't catholics show us all their sacred tradition? Why doesn't any catholic know how many verses its 'infallible' leadership has defined in 2000 years (allegedly). Where is the definitive list of all dogmas? Full apostolic faith? Not by a long shot.
                  it is very easy to ask questions but very difficult to give answers you will agree on. i can give you answers but you should also give me your answer to those same questions. let us take the definitive list of all dogmas. we have the catechism, how about your? i can give you some verses that my church infallibly defined, but can you give me the list your church (name of your church) infallibly defined? apostolic faith...yes we can trace our lineage all the way to an apostle. can you show us your lineage going all the way to an apostle?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                    Ours is the full Apostolic Faith that believes in both Christ and His Body (the Church) and not in a disembodied Christ.
                    whatever that means...

                    If he had meant to cast you away he would have done so long ago. If he wanted reasons for rejecting you he had reasons from all eternity, for he knew what you would be. No sin in you has been a surprise to him. C.H. Spurgeon

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
                      jesus has only one body not many bodies of christians of different denominations.

                      the groom/jesus is married only to one bride/church. it is not a polygamous relationship of many brides/ churches.
                      Those are very protestant positions, ramcam2.

                      Originally posted by ramcam2
                      if you go to v. 16 Meanwhile, let us all be of the same mind, all follow the same rule, according to the progress we have made... ask yourself if all protestants have the same mind and the same rule. what do you think?
                      ramcam2, FYI, not all Catholics have the same mind and the Catholic Church allows for that by giving leeway in certain beliefs, for instance, beliefs concerning creation and evolution. Catholicism also has the divisions of trads and neo-Caths, those who love present communist/social justice pope, and those who hate him.

                      But hey, thanks for the question...
                      If he had meant to cast you away he would have done so long ago. If he wanted reasons for rejecting you he had reasons from all eternity, for he knew what you would be. No sin in you has been a surprise to him. C.H. Spurgeon

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
                        jesus has only one body not many bodies of christians of different denominations.

                        the groom/jesus is married only to one bride/church. it is not a polygamous relationship of many brides/ churches.

                        if you go to v. 16 Meanwhile, let us all be of the same mind, all follow the same rule, according to the progress we have made... ask yourself if all protestants have the same mind and the same rule. what do you think?
                        what makes you think all protestants are believers? that's been answered on here over and over. just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean it isn't the truth.

                        "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                        The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
                          it is very easy to ask questions but very difficult to give answers you will agree on. i can give you answers but you should also give me your answer to those same questions.
                          yes, and you ask a lot of them, but don't answer that many... there's a lot of detouring, asking another question instead of answering the one posted to you, in the attempt to divert from it.

                          let us take the definitive list of all dogmas. we have the catechism, how about your?
                          go ahead and post them here for us.

                          i can give you some verses that my church infallibly defined,
                          go ahead and post what you claim they are... but your church can infallibly define nothing.

                          but can you give me the list your church (name of your church) infallibly defined?
                          why do you keep asking that? do you post your home address or phone # online? the name of someone's specific church means nothing to others anyway.

                          apostolic faith...yes we can trace our lineage all the way to an apostle. can you show us your lineage going all the way to an apostle?
                          catholics don't have an apostolic faith. the rcc doesn't teach what the apostles taught and catholics believe what the rcc teaches, not what the apostles taught. catholics have a rcc faith. it is their leader, their god.

                          no you can't. any info saying it can is made up by the men of the rcc. that you all claim Peter was a pope is nothing but another false teaching of the RCC. He was not the head of all Christians in the NT time. nor did the others consider him to be the leader of all. Scripture says no one of them was over another.

                          "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                          The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Howie View Post
                            Those are very protestant positions, ramcam2.

                            ramcam2, FYI, not all Catholics have the same mind and the Catholic Church allows for that by giving leeway in certain beliefs, for instance, beliefs concerning creation and evolution. Catholicism also has the divisions of trads and neo-Caths, those who love present communist/social justice pope, and those who hate him.

                            But hey, thanks for the stupid question...
                            You are wrong. It is just one official catholic teaching and belief. You can find it in the catechism. Individual Catholics may have their own individual opinions but it does not mean this is official catholic teaching. Unlike in Protestantism, there is no official Protestant teaching. Even in the definition of sola scriptura, they cannot agree on what is official. Unlike in Catholicism, there is no single confession of faith in Protestantism. The Bible is interpreted in accordance with the formula devised by men. The Anglican have the Thirty-Nine Articles, the Lutheran the Augsburg Confession, the “Reformed Churches” the Heidelberg Catechism. Each new sect being obliged to prove its raison d’ètre by showing just how far it differed from others, a very large number of Confessions appeared, varying in size from a few articles to long theological treatises. As a rule, the later Confessions are merely modified copies of the older ones, altered to suit local circumstances or personal views.

                            my question is very logical.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
                              My wife and I recently made a Holy pilgrimage to Middle east where Christianity started. Most of these sacred and holy sites were either Jewish, Muslim, or Christian areas. In those areas that are under Christianity, it was either Eastern Orthodox or Catholic (mostly franciscans). I am just wondering where the Non-Catholic christians will fit if they make a claim of historic/apostolic christianity?
                              here:

                              The persecution in the book of Acts 11 spread the Gospel message through out the area and eventually into Europe.
                              Even though names did not survive through the ages of history (Roman persecution, Black Death ,Dark Ages, wars, etc); There is archeological evidence of early house churches and Christian burial sites throughout Europe

                              Acts 11:19 "Now those who had been scattered by the persecution that broke out when Stephen was killed traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, spreading the word only among Jews. 20 Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus. 21 The Lord’s hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord."
                              One of the ekklēsia

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