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  • What constitutes a Roman Catholic Church?

    You are visiting an unknown town, and they have one church.
    There is nothing overt to identify its denomination.

    What would this church have to teach in order for you to accept or identify it as a Roman Catholic Church?

    1) It must affirm fealty to the bishop of Rome (ie. the Pope).
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    2) It must affirm papal infallibility.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    3) It must believe and practise transubstantiation in the mass.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    4) It must hold to perpetual virginity of Mary.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    5) It must hold to the immaculate conception of Mary.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    6) It must hold to the bodily assumption of Mary.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    7) It must practise priestly confession and penance.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    8) It must affirm purgatory and indulgences.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    9) It must practise infant baptism.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    10) It must recognize and practise the seven sacraments.
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    11) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    12) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

    13) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
    [_] Yes ..... [_] No
    "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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    "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
    but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
    -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

  • #2
    The RCC is identified by one thing only.

    All of their buildings and property are owned by the Magisterium and all of their staff reports to a bishop- who reports to an arch- who reports to a cardinal who reports to the pope.


    The beliefs aren't the important thing, its the chain of command. Remember, dogmas can be changed at any time.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post
      You are visiting an unknown town, and they have one church.
      There is nothing overt to identify its denomination.

      What would this church have to teach in order for you to accept or identify it as a Roman Catholic Church?

      1) It must affirm fealty to the bishop of Rome (ie. the Pope).
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      2) It must affirm papal infallibility.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      3) It must believe and practise transubstantiation in the mass.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      4) It must hold to perpetual virginity of Mary.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      5) It must hold to the immaculate conception of Mary.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      6) It must hold to the bodily assumption of Mary.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      7) It must practise priestly confession and penance.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      8) It must affirm purgatory and indulgences.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      9) It must practise infant baptism.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      10) It must recognize and practise the seven sacraments.
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      11) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      12) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No

      13) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
      [_] Yes ..... [_] No
      So no Roman Catholic is willing to respond to this post?
      What are you afraid of?
      "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------
      "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
      but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
      -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post
        You are visiting an unknown town, and they have one church.
        There is nothing overt to identify its denomination.

        What would this church have to teach in order for you to accept or identify it as a Roman Catholic Church?

        1) It must affirm fealty to the bishop of Rome (ie. the Pope).
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        2) It must affirm papal infallibility.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        3) It must believe and practise transubstantiation in the mass.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        4) It must hold to perpetual virginity of Mary.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        5) It must hold to the immaculate conception of Mary.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        6) It must hold to the bodily assumption of Mary.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        7) It must practise priestly confession and penance.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        8) It must affirm purgatory and indulgences.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        9) It must practise infant baptism.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        10) It must recognize and practise the seven sacraments.
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        11) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        12) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No

        13) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
        [_] Yes ..... [_] No
        Catholic churches identify themselves on the outside as Catholic. Do you have a real life example of a Catholic parish church building that doesn't do this?

        To answer your hypothetical question - I'd call the Diocesan office and ask them if it was a Catholic church.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Southsider View Post
          The RCC is identified by one thing only.

          All of their buildings and property are owned by the Magisterium and all of their staff reports to a bishop- who reports to an arch- who reports to a cardinal who reports to the pope.


          The beliefs aren't the important thing, its the chain of command. Remember, dogmas can be changed at any time.
          Hi Southsider,

          The Magisterium is the teaching office of the Catholic Church. The Magisterium doesn't own any Church property.

          BTW, bishops also do not own any church property.

          Parish staffs do not report to a Bishop. They report to the parish pastor.

          Bishops do not report to archbishops.

          Archbishops do not report to cardinals.

          Let us pray for one another and love one another.
          -Ray-

          The Good News is that Jesus Christ died and rose for our sins so that we might be saved.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kirby View Post

            Catholic churches identify themselves on the outside as Catholic. Do you have a real life example of a Catholic parish church building that doesn't do this?

            To answer your hypothetical question - I'd call the Diocesan office and ask them if it was a Catholic church.
            Greetings kirby,

            so it is impossible to know if a church is catholic unless you call the diocese?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BaptistCrusader View Post

              Greetings kirby,

              so it is impossible to know if a church is catholic unless you call the diocese?
              The question in the OP was (and it's a Guess What Church I am kind of question) What constitutes a Roman Catholic Church?

              ​​​My answer would be: The priest is following the Roman Rite.
              31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations,.." (Mt. 25) May the Divine assistance remain always with us and the Choctaw Nation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BaptistCrusader View Post

                Greetings kirby,

                so it is impossible to know if a church is catholic unless you call the diocese?
                It is possible to know a church is Catholic without calling the diocese.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Only_3 View Post
                  ​​​My answer would be: The priest is following the Roman Rite.
                  Please elaborate.

                  What SPECIFIC DOCTRINES (refer back to my OP) are required to be held to "follow the Roman Rite"?
                  "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
                  but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
                  -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post
                    You are visiting an unknown town, and they have one church.
                    There is nothing overt to identify its denomination.

                    What would this church have to teach in order for you to accept or identify it as a Roman Catholic Church?

                    1) It must affirm fealty to the bishop of Rome (ie. the Pope).
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    2) It must affirm papal infallibility.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    3) It must believe and practise transubstantiation in the mass.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    4) It must hold to perpetual virginity of Mary.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    5) It must hold to the immaculate conception of Mary.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    6) It must hold to the bodily assumption of Mary.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    7) It must practise priestly confession and penance.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    8) It must affirm purgatory and indulgences.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    9) It must practise infant baptism.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    10) It must recognize and practise the seven sacraments.
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    11) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    12) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No

                    13) Other: (Elaborate: ) ____________________________
                    [_] Yes ..... [_] No
                    There are four marks of the Church, these identify the Church as Catholic. They are Unity (one), set apart for God's purpose (Holy), the universality and complete with nothing lacking (Catholic) and rooted in the Sacred Traditions of the Apostles (Apostolic) What identifies if it is Roman Catholic or not is the distinctive 'Roman' Rite. The Catholic Church is a visible Church, not hidden like some others.

                    How would you identify the True Church in Protestantism? Is there a certain characteristic to the protest? Most will say "one church is as good as another". Is that what you say?

                    JoeT
                    Sigillum Militum Χρisti † / "Truth exists. The Incarnation happened."

                    Totus Tuus, "Totally yours . . . Keep me in this union".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JoeT View Post

                      There are four marks of the Church, these identify the Church as Catholic. They are Unity (one), set apart for God's purpose (Holy), the universality and complete with nothing lacking (Catholic) and rooted in the Sacred Traditions of the Apostles (Apostolic) What identifies if it is Roman Catholic or not is the distinctive 'Roman' Rite. The Catholic Church is a visible Church, not hidden like some others.

                      How would you identify the True Church in Protestantism? Is there a certain characteristic to the protest? Most will say "one church is as good as another". Is that what you say?

                      JoeT
                      you made those marks up !!! stop twisting scripture to your own destruction !!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JoeT View Post
                        There are four marks of the Church, these identify the Church as Catholic. They are Unity (one), set apart for God's purpose (Holy), the universality and complete with nothing lacking (Catholic) and rooted in the Sacred Traditions of the Apostles (Apostolic) What identifies if it is Roman Catholic or not is the distinctive 'Roman' Rite. The Catholic Church is a visible Church, not hidden like some others.

                        How would you identify the True Church in Protestantism? Is there a certain characteristic to the protest? Most will say "one church is as good as another". Is that what you say?
                        the RCC fails on all of those.

                        what's Protestantism?


                        "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                        The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BaptistCrusader View Post

                          you made those marks up !!! stop twisting scripture to your own destruction !!!
                          And you stop accusing folks of twisting scripture just because you don't like what they say.
                          31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations,.." (Mt. 25) May the Divine assistance remain always with us and the Choctaw Nation.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BaptistCrusader View Post

                            you made those marks up !!! stop twisting scripture to your own destruction !!!
                            I did not make up the four marks of the Church, its part of the Creed. I did not twist Scared Scripture nor will I be destroyed because of it. But you're soul may be at grave risk.
                            "This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic." These four characteristics, inseparably linked with each other, indicate essential features of the Church and her mission. The Church does not possess them of herself; it is Christ who, through the Holy Spirit, makes his Church one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, and it is he who calls her to realize each of these qualities. [CCC 811]
                            I can discuss in some detail the four marks of the Church if you like.
                            "The sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, . . . subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him." [CCC 870]
                            JoeT
                            Sigillum Militum Χρisti † / "Truth exists. The Incarnation happened."

                            Totus Tuus, "Totally yours . . . Keep me in this union".

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kirby View Post

                              Catholic churches identify themselves on the outside as Catholic. Do you have a real life example of a Catholic parish church building that doesn't do this?

                              To answer your hypothetical question - I'd call the Diocesan office and ask them if it was a Catholic church.
                              So you don't know what your Church teaches? Tsk, tsk ...
                              We are either in the process of resisting God's truth or in the process of being shaped and molded by his truth … Charles Stanley

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