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  • If you were walking down the road....

    On another thread Calsgal wrote,
    One of the most Holy sacred items in Israel was the ark ..... It was the very presence of God among them ... it was not His momma
    https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/ch...e-pray-to-mary

    I do not want to necessarily get into a discussion about the ark/Mary parallel but I did want to ask a question. If you know what you know now and if you were transported back in time to the time after Mary conceived and you saw her walking down the road would you run up to her and kneel before her or just keep walking? If she was carrying God, Himself, then it would only make sense for a Christian to come and kneel before her since God was inside of her. True? Could one be accused of "Mary worship" by doing such a thing or is it just out of respect that this is done?
    "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

  • #2
    Originally posted by Lamb's Servant View Post
    On another thread Calsgal wrote,

    https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/ch...e-pray-to-mary

    I do not want to necessarily get into a discussion about the ark/Mary parallel but I did want to ask a question. If you know what you know now and if you were transported back in time to the time after Mary conceived and you saw her walking down the road would you run up to her and kneel before her or just keep walking? If she was carrying God, Himself, then it would only make sense for a Christian to come and kneel before her since God was inside of her. True? Could one be accused of "Mary worship" by doing such a thing or is it just out of respect that this is done?
    Is your focus on mary or the unborn baby Jesus?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

      Is your focus on mary or the unborn baby Jesus?
      Jesus would be the most important here. If the Pharisees are you bowing to her, would they assume that you were worshiping a false god? They would not have known if she was carrying Jesus or not.
      "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lamb's Servant View Post
        On another thread Calsgal wrote,

        https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/ch...e-pray-to-mary

        I do not want to necessarily get into a discussion about the ark/Mary parallel but I did want to ask a question. If you know what you know now and if you were transported back in time to the time after Mary conceived and you saw her walking down the road would you run up to her and kneel before her or just keep walking? If she was carrying God, Himself, then it would only make sense for a Christian to come and kneel before her since God was inside of her. True? Could one be accused of "Mary worship" by doing such a thing or is it just out of respect that this is done?
        at that time, who knew that the baby she was carrying was Jesus, Who would one day be crucified and rise again?

        Who back then knew that when He was 12 yo? 20 yo? 30 yo? Do you think Mary knew that?


        Who was Christian at that time?

        "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

        The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lamb's Servant View Post
          On another thread Calsgal wrote,

          https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/ch...e-pray-to-mary

          I do not want to necessarily get into a discussion about the ark/Mary parallel but I did want to ask a question. If you know what you know now and if you were transported back in time to the time after Mary conceived and you saw her walking down the road would you run up to her and kneel before her or just keep walking? If she was carrying God, Himself, then it would only make sense for a Christian to come and kneel before her since God was inside of her. True? Could one be accused of "Mary worship" by doing such a thing or is it just out of respect that this is done?
          If anything, I would kneel before the baby Jesus. Mary would simply be in the way.

          Compare this to a time where I might see Jesus through the window of a church. I would kneel before Jesus, I would not be worshipping the church. If I passed by the church when Jesus wasn't inside, I wouldn't kneel before it, it's just a church.
          "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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          "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
          but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
          -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lamb's Servant View Post
            On another thread Calsgal wrote,

            https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/ch...e-pray-to-mary

            I do not want to necessarily get into a discussion about the ark/Mary parallel but I did want to ask a question. If you know what you know now and if you were transported back in time to the time after Mary conceived and you saw her walking down the road would you run up to her and kneel before her or just keep walking? If she was carrying God, Himself, then it would only make sense for a Christian to come and kneel before her since God was inside of her. True? Could one be accused of "Mary worship" by doing such a thing or is it just out of respect that this is done?
            Yet, no one did this did they? At His birth angels sang, shepherds went to the manger and later Simeon prophesied. It was all about Jesus, not mary.
            Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lamb's Servant View Post
              On another thread Calsgal wrote,

              https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/ch...e-pray-to-mary

              I do not want to necessarily get into a discussion about the ark/Mary parallel but I did want to ask a question. If you know what you know now and if you were transported back in time to the time after Mary conceived and you saw her walking down the road would you run up to her and kneel before her or just keep walking? If she was carrying God, Himself, then it would only make sense for a Christian to come and kneel before her since God was inside of her. True? Could one be accused of "Mary worship" by doing such a thing or is it just out of respect that this is done?
              so "if I know" and if I time traveled
              and came apon the pregnant Virgin Mary

              Yes I would kneel ;
              but I would not be kneeling before Mary, bur before God.

              IN THE SAME WAY
              If I came apon Jesus the moment He sat on the donkey prior to His triumphal entry on Psalm Sunday
              I would also kneel;
              but I would not be kneeling before a donkey, bur before God.

              re: respect for Mary:
              do you really think Mary (at any time in he life) would accept anyone knelling before her out of respect or reverence?
              One of the ekklēsia

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lamb's Servant View Post

                Jesus would be the most important here. If the Pharisees are you bowing to her, would they assume that you were worshiping a false god? They would not have known if she was carrying Jesus or not.
                it sounded like in your hypothetical time travel question I new Mary was pregnant with Jesus. Are you adjusting your question/

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lamb's Servant View Post

                  Jesus would be the most important here. If the Pharisees are you bowing to her, would they assume that you were worshiping a false god? They would not have known if she was carrying Jesus or not.
                  If the Pharisees saw me bowing to a 30 year old Jesus, they would assume that I was worshiping a false god..

                  I don't think you thought this through.
                  One of the ekklēsia

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mica View Post
                    at that time, who knew that the baby she was carrying was Jesus, Who would one day be crucified and rise again?

                    Who back then knew that when He was 12 yo? 20 yo? 30 yo? Do you think Mary knew that?


                    Who was Christian at that time?
                    But I said if you knew what you know now and you went back in time would you kneel before the pregnant Mary?
                    "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post

                      If anything, I would kneel before the baby Jesus. Mary would simply be in the way.

                      Compare this to a time where I might see Jesus through the window of a church. I would kneel before Jesus, I would not be worshipping the church. If I passed by the church when Jesus wasn't inside, I wouldn't kneel before it, it's just a church.
                      Thank you for your answer.
                      "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                        Yet, no one did this did they? At His birth angels sang, shepherds went to the manger and later Simeon prophesied. It was all about Jesus, not mary.
                        But did you read what I wrote?
                        "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tester View Post

                          so "if I know" and if I time traveled
                          and came apon the pregnant Virgin Mary

                          Yes I would kneel ;
                          but I would not be kneeling before Mary, bur before God.

                          IN THE SAME WAY
                          If I came apon Jesus the moment He sat on the donkey prior to His triumphal entry on Psalm Sunday
                          I would also kneel;
                          but I would not be kneeling before a donkey, bur before God.

                          re: respect for Mary:
                          do you really think Mary (at any time in he life) would accept anyone knelling before her out of respect or reverence?
                          Thank you for your answer.
                          "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                            it sounded like in your hypothetical time travel question I new Mary was pregnant with Jesus. Are you adjusting your question/
                            No. You knew that she was pregnant.
                            "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tester View Post

                              If the Pharisees saw me bowing to a 30 year old Jesus, they would assume that I was worshiping a false god..

                              I don't think you thought this through.
                              i thought it through. Do you think that the Pharisees would have thought that you were worshiping Mary if you kneeled to her when she was pregnant?
                              "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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