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    My eldest brother was ordained to the priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at the age of 78 in May of 2018. (For convenience sake, call him Larry)

    Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego, Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.

    In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September 1974 until June 1984.

    Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi-retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in Oceanside, California.

    Supposing (this is only supposing, not alleging) Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? The ramifications of that are too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

    I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable, disappointment that my brother will undergo if it turns out that all the while he sincerely believed himself serving Christ's best interests, he was actually serving the Devil's.
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    Originally posted by Od:hgd View Post
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    My eldest brother was ordained to the priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at the age of 78 in May of 2018. (For convenience sake, call him Larry)

    Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego, Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.

    In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September 1974 until June 1984.

    Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi-retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in Oceanside, California.

    Supposing (this is only supposing, not alleging) Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? The ramifications of that are too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

    I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable, disappointment that my brother will undergo if it turns out that all the while he sincerely believed himself serving Christ's best interests, he was actually serving the Devil's.
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    Thats entirely too bad. Lots of people give their lives to the wrong thing/god.
    Phil 3:4-8
    4 although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless. 7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ, NASB
    Paul had some pretty good credentials as well. But apart from Christ he counts it all as rubbish. Rubbish in the greek is skubalon which means dung. Sorry for your brother. But many of us have said multiple times here, people can be very sincere and be sincerely wrong. People are either born again or they aren't.

    And yes, rome is 100% wrong on many things; jesus, the gospel, sin, grace, atonement.....They get none of it right.
    Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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    • #3
      And on the off-chance your brother was right, then a lot of Protestants may be in the same situation.
      Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Od:hgd View Post
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        My eldest brother was ordained to the priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at the age of 78 in May of 2018. (For convenience sake, call him Larry)

        Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego, Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.

        In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September 1974 until June 1984.

        Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi-retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in Oceanside, California.

        Supposing (this is only supposing, not alleging) Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? The ramifications of that are too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

        I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable, disappointment that my brother will undergo if it turns out that all the while he sincerely believed himself serving Christ's best interests, he was actually serving the Devil's.
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        It sounds like your brother is in good hands to me. I suggest that (just suggesting, not alleging) the non-Catholic denominations were mistaken. For them it would mean they might be, this very moment, not working in the true faith and deserving of the condemnation you seem to be wishing on brother. I'm able to imagine the crushing, unspeakable, disappointment that you might be headed to.

        JoeT
        Sigillum Militum Χρisti † / "Truth exists. The Incarnation happened."

        Totus Tuus, "Totally yours . . . Keep me in this union".

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Og. View Post
          And on the off-chance your brother was right, then a lot of Protestants may be in the same situation.
          Lots of prots might be at that. But then again we are talking about christianity not the rcc or prots. None of your doctrines and dogmas are in the bible, mine are. Your jesus is a wafer, mine is aptly described in Rev 1

          Rev 1:12-19
          12 And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; 13 and in the middle of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His breast with a golden girdle. 14 And His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire; 15 and His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been caused to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 And in His right hand He held seven stars; and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
          NASB
          Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JoeT View Post


            It sounds like your brother is in good hands to me. I suggest that (just suggesting, not alleging) the non-Catholic denominations were mistaken. For them it would mean they might be, this very moment, not working in the true faith and deserving of the condemnation you seem to be wishing on brother. I'm able to imagine the crushing, unspeakable, disappointment that you might be headed to.

            JoeT
            Anyone that does not go through the door (Jesus) is a robber and a thief. The rcc offers many ways to heaven through many saviors. Its false gospel and false jesus are two of the many major theological errors of your church. Clinging to them will result in hell. Thats the sad truth. Repent while there is time.
            Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

              Lots of prots might be at that. But then again we are talking about christianity not the rcc or prots. None of your doctrines and dogmas are in the bible, mine are. Your jesus is a wafer, mine is aptly described in Rev 1
              If Father Larry is right, then many nondenoms who consider themselves true Christians may also be in trouble.
              Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Og. View Post

                If Father Larry is right, then many nondenoms who consider themselves true Christians may also be in trouble.
                Saying youre a christian doesn't mean you are one. Professing and possessing are two different things. The rcc has no authentic, biblical doctrines. They are all man made. Hence false.
                Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Od:hgd View Post
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                  My eldest brother was ordained to the priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at the age of 78 in May of 2018. (For convenience sake, call him Larry)

                  Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego, Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.

                  In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September 1974 until June 1984.

                  Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi-retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in Oceanside, California.

                  Supposing (this is only supposing, not alleging) Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? The ramifications of that are too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

                  I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable, disappointment that my brother will undergo if it turns out that all the while he sincerely believed himself serving Christ's best interests, he was actually serving the Devil's.
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                  There are very kind and devoted Buddhist priests and Mormon "priests" . There are very kind people in false religions.. none of that has any currency at the judgement seat ...
                  Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Og. View Post
                    And on the off-chance your brother was right, then a lot of Protestants may be in the same situation.
                    RCC's religion is based on "off-chance"?
                    Scripture states otherwise:
                    1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
                    1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
                    That You May Know
                    1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
                    1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JoeT View Post


                      It sounds like your brother is in good hands to me.
                      "sounds like"? Is this the best you and Og offer to Od:hgd?

                      Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
                      Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
                      1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                      • #12
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                        Jas 3:1 . . Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness.


                        That's one of the very reasons why I will never volunteer to teach Sunday school nor allow myself to be recruited for it. John Q and Jane Doe pew warmer are going to have it very, very easy in comparison to the elite members of Christianity when we all stand before Christ in turn for the final evaluation. And if the judgment for teachers is going to be strict; will judgment for those in positions of authority be any less severe? Ouch!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                          "sounds like"? Is this the best you and Og offer to Od:hgd?

                          Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
                          Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
                          It didn't sound like it was concern being expressed. Od:hgd assumes his brother is in hell because of his Catholic faith. To me it's not the brother I worry about, he was a great hero. It's Od:hgd that has difficulty with the knowlege of the true faith. If ignorance derserves hell and damnation it's not the brother who is deserving.

                          JoeT
                          Sigillum Militum Χρisti † / "Truth exists. The Incarnation happened."

                          Totus Tuus, "Totally yours . . . Keep me in this union".

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                            Anyone that does not go through the door (Jesus) is a robber and a thief.
                            The "door", Jesus, is a portal to His own Kingdom, the Catholic Church which ministers to the sacraments of eternal life.



                            JoeT
                            Sigillum Militum Χρisti † / "Truth exists. The Incarnation happened."

                            Totus Tuus, "Totally yours . . . Keep me in this union".

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JoeT View Post

                              The "door", Jesus, is a portal to His own Kingdom, the Catholic Church which ministers to the sacraments of eternal life.



                              JoeT
                              lol
                              Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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