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    . . . think that RC's in general know their Roman Catholic faith? For instance, do you believe that they can explain some of the very basic Roman Catholic doctrines such as transubstantiation, temporal punishment, or the Immaculate Conception of Mary?
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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    No. I know I couldn't. And I still can't in many areas.

    I was born and raised Catholic, and went to Catholic schools. But I don't recall the schools, or even Sunday Mass, teaching doctrines.

    It wasn't until I reached my 30's that I started to learn about the history and detail of our doctrines - and that was because I was challenged by Protestants. The internet has been a valuable resource. I'm in my 40's now, and I'm still learning.

    I never really treated the Catholic Church with contempt. I was always open minded when I don't understand something; I pray and I research and I find answers. Sometimes it takes years to find answers. I don't have any close relationship with scholars who can quickly answer questions for me. I just have to wait and trust God that he'll send me somebody with answers. I'm very grateful to God for sending me people like Dr Brant Pitre and Dr Scott Hahn (whom I've never met) and many others who have helped my faith on an intellectual level. I'm also thankful for a couple of good priests (not very many) over the years who have helped me on a spiritual level.

    I'm kind of thankful for the non-Catholics who have challenged me over the years - but that seems really strange to me. I'm confused if God has sent me non-Catholics to prompt me to learn about by religion; I'm still trying to figure this out.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by poster2262 View Post
      ....

      I'm kind of thankful for the non-Catholics who have challenged me over the years - but that seems really strange to me. I'm confused if God has sent me non-Catholics to prompt me to learn about by religion; I'm still trying to figure this out.
      Actually, God does this sort of thing consistently. Challenges of all kinds, that come into our lives, call forth our gifts and talents to respond to those challenges - and the gifts and talents get stronger as a result. Temptations call us to stronger virtue, to overcome the temptation - and thus not only be better and stronger in faith, but also we become more helpful to others in helping them overcome their temptations and challenges.

      This reminds me in some ways of this passage - that can apply in some way, maybe, to your comment:
      2Co 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
      2Co 1:4 who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.
      2Co 1:5 For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too.
      2Co 1:6 If we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation; and if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which you experience when you patiently endure the same sufferings that we suffer.
      ... For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed;...
      But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (Rom 13)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
        . . . think that RC's in general know their Roman Catholic faith? For instance, do you believe that they can explain some of the very basic Roman Catholic doctrines such as transubstantiation, temporal punishment, or the Immaculate Conception of Mary?
        A person can have strong and true faith - know it very well in the sense of possess it - and not be able to "explain" it to others. A Catholic who possesses the same faith will find the faith in another Catholic "expressed" very well! A non-Catholic who has accepted and who trusts in a different "faith" will have difficulty understanding how a Catholic can possibly believe any other way than he/she does! Whether it is well-explained or not, the Catholic Faith may still be completely unintelligible to the one having an entirely different religious view of things.
        ... For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed;...
        But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (Rom 13)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
          . . . think that RC's in general know their Roman Catholic faith? For instance, do you believe that they can explain some of the very basic Roman Catholic doctrines such as transubstantiation, temporal punishment, or the Immaculate Conception of Mary?


          I don't know what Roman Catholics think about RC knowledge, but as a non-catholic I can see that the RC's around here aren't very informed about their own religion.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Thomas View Post

            A person can have strong and true faith - know it very well in the sense of possess it - and not be able to "explain" it to others. A Catholic who possesses the same faith will find the faith in another Catholic "expressed" very well! A non-Catholic who has accepted and who trusts in a different "faith" will have difficulty understanding how a Catholic can possibly believe any other way than he/she does! Whether it is well-explained or not, the Catholic Faith may still be completely unintelligible to the one having an entirely different religious view of things.
            what is this 'faith' ??
            "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

            The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by poster2262 View Post
              No. I know I couldn't. And I still can't in many areas.

              I was born and raised Catholic, and went to Catholic schools. But I don't recall the schools, or even Sunday Mass, teaching doctrines.

              It wasn't until I reached my 30's that I started to learn about the history and detail of our doctrines - and that was because I was challenged by Protestants. The internet has been a valuable resource. I'm in my 40's now, and I'm still learning.

              I never really treated the Catholic Church with contempt. I was always open minded when I don't understand something; I pray and I research and I find answers. Sometimes it takes years to find answers. I don't have any close relationship with scholars who can quickly answer questions for me. I just have to wait and trust God that he'll send me somebody with answers. I'm very grateful to God for sending me people like Dr Brant Pitre and Dr Scott Hahn (whom I've never met) and many others who have helped my faith on an intellectual level. I'm also thankful for a couple of good priests (not very many) over the years who have helped me on a spiritual level.

              I'm kind of thankful for the non-Catholics who have challenged me over the years - but that seems really strange to me. I'm confused if God has sent me non-Catholics to prompt me to learn about by religion; I'm still trying to figure this out.
              He did, its called the bible. Pick it up and read it. Catholicism is internally confusing. It offers multiple ways of salvation. It muddies the water on sin, grace, suffering, atonement. It tells you to look at popes, mary, priests, a monstrance....instead of Jesus. Once you get all the clutter out of the way, open your bible and ask God Himself for guidance He just might give it to you.
              Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mica View Post
                what is this 'faith' ??
                "faith" can mean either the supernatural infused virtue that enables believing into all that the Church professes in the Gospel, with hope and charity, which is given by the Holy Spirit at Baptism along with sanctifying grace, or, it can mean the content of that belief - that which "is believed into", that is, all that the Church professes.
                ... For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed;...
                But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (Rom 13)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Thomas View Post

                  A person can have strong and true faith - know it very well in the sense of possess it - and not be able to "explain" it to others. A Catholic who possesses the same faith will find the faith in another Catholic "expressed" very well! A non-Catholic who has accepted and who trusts in a different "faith" will have difficulty understanding how a Catholic can possibly believe any other way than he/she does! Whether it is well-explained or not, the Catholic Faith may still be completely unintelligible to the one having an entirely different religious view of things.
                  What is your faith in Thomas?
                  Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Thomas View Post

                    "faith" can mean either the supernatural infused virtue that enables believing into all that the Church professes in the Gospel, with hope and charity, which is given by the Holy Spirit at Baptism along with sanctifying grace, or, it can mean the content of that belief - that which "is believed into", that is, all that the Church professes.
                    Where does the scripture speed of "infused virtue"
                    Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Thomas View Post
                      "faith" can mean either the supernatural infused virtue that enables believing into all that the Church professes in the Gospel, with hope and charity, which is given by the Holy Spirit at Baptism along with sanctifying grace, or, it can mean the content of that belief - that which "is believed into", that is, all that the Church professes.
                      catholics have some major problems in this.

                      the RCC doesn't even know what the gospel is. its followers sure don't. that shows the RCC doesn't teach it. What the RCC teaches isn't found in scripture.

                      nothing is given by the Holy Spirit in a catholic water baptism.

                      catholics believe they get grace from believing all of the RCC false claims and teachings. Sad for catholics, what it teaches and believes isn't from God so why would you get grace for believing contrary to His teachings?
                      "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                      The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                        . . . think that RC's in general know their Roman Catholic faith? For instance, do you believe that they can explain some of the very basic Roman Catholic doctrines such as transubstantiation, temporal punishment, or the Immaculate Conception of Mary?
                        As the result of poor catechesis, I believe that they average Catholic cannot explain those subjects.
                        "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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                        • #13
                          Nondenom40 wrote,

                          He did, its called the bible.
                          Could you show where He established a Bible with 73/66 Books in it? The Bible never stated that He established a Book but it does say that He established a Church. Are you part of it?

                          Pick it up and read it.
                          Yes but how are you going to get the right interpretation instead of an error/

                          It offers multiple ways of salvation.
                          It offers only One Way and that Way is Our Lord Jesus.
                          It tells you to look at popes, mary, priests, a monstrance....instead of Jesus.
                          It is obvious that you do not know what the Church teaches.

                          "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lamb's Servant View Post
                            Nondenom40 wrote,



                            Could you show where He established a Bible with 73/66 Books in it? The Bible never stated that He established a Book but it does say that He established a Church. Are you part of it?



                            Yes but how are you going to get the right interpretation instead of an error/



                            It offers only One Way and that Way is Our Lord Jesus.


                            It is obvious that you do not know what the Church teaches.
                            When I began to read the NT I realized that RC does not line up with it..
                            Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Calsgal View Post

                              When I began to read the NT I realized that RC does not line up with it..
                              But are you not really saying that it does not line up to your interpretation of the Bible? When I read the Bible, it lines up perfectly with Catholic teaching. After all, the Bible came from the Church.
                              "Heretical teachers pervert Scripture and try to get into Heaven with a false key, for they have formed their human assemblies later than the Catholic Church. Pope St. Clement I (88-97)

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