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Do Roman Catholics Believe in Christ Jesus?

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  • Do Roman Catholics Believe in Christ Jesus?

    I do think that ALL Roman Catholics believe in Jesus Christ - in a historical sense. But I question whether or not Roman Catholics actually trust Jesus to save them personally. I question whether or not Roman Catholics truly trust Jesus to save them.
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
    I do think that ALL Roman Catholics believe in Jesus Christ - in a historical sense. But I question whether or not Roman Catholics actually trust Jesus to save them personally. I question whether or not Roman Catholics truly trust Jesus to save them.
    Which, of course was Martin Luther's PRIMARY contribution - Salvation BY FAITH in the perfect SIN OFFERING of Jesus, that ELIMINATES SIN, and makes us PERFECT before Father in Christ.

    THAT'S the "Jesus" that Roman Catholics really don't appear to know. If they DID, they wouldn't have loaded all the useless "Salvation by WORKS" baggage on the simplicity of the Gospel.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
      I do think that ALL Roman Catholics believe in Jesus Christ - in a historical sense. But I question whether or not Roman Catholics actually trust Jesus to save them personally. I question whether or not Roman Catholics truly trust Jesus to save them.
      I think they know Who He is historically and why He came. They know what they've been taught over and over - in their heads, but not in their hearts. They don't believe He can and will do what He says He will if one believes from the heart. They've been taught they need to do the work because evidently He can't. He is limited to them. They need the RCC, Mary, pope etc. and none of them are mentioned in scripture as necessary. only believing in Him from the heart. Head knowledge is not heart knowledge.

      "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

      The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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      • #4
        They know about Jesus, but do not know Jesus. They probably know more about their 'Mother of God', the other sinless Mediatrix and Advocate; Jesus does not get Captitalized Titles.
        1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
          I do think that ALL Roman Catholics believe in Jesus Christ - in a historical sense. But I question whether or not Roman Catholics actually trust Jesus to save them personally. I question whether or not Roman Catholics truly trust Jesus to save them.
          To believe in Jesus Christ is to believe in His Body the Church. This means, the RCC as a group is actually closer to faith in Christ Jesus than evangelicals.
          In accordance with the Apostolic faith delivered to us by tradition from the Fathers, I have delivered the tradition, without inventing anything extraneous to it. What I have learned, that I inscribed, comfortably with the Holy Scriptures

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mica View Post
            I think they know Who He is historically and why He came. They know what they've been taught over and over - in their heads, but not in their hearts. They don't believe He can and will do what He says He will if one believes from the heart. They've been taught they need to do the work because evidently He can't. He is limited to them. They need the RCC, Mary, pope etc. and none of them are mentioned in scripture as necessary. only believing in Him from the heart. Head knowledge is not heart knowledge.
            Most Roman Catholics, including those in this forum, when asked about their hope of salvation will almost always respond with a confused mixture of Christ and self, faith, works grace and merit. The vast majority of them have never even cracked open the Bible, and they never seem to even want to talk about the Lord - He seems to be a taboo subject with them - but they'll yak on and on about Mary.
            RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
              Most Roman Catholics, including those in this forum, when asked about their hope of salvation will almost always respond with a confused mixture of Christ and self, faith, works grace and merit.

              The vast majority of them have never even cracked open the Bible, and they never seem to even want to talk about the Lord -
              yes, it is. my response as a catholic would have been just as confused. catholicism is a mass of confusion.

              and most don't even know what the gospel is.

              He seems to be a taboo subject with them - but they'll yak on and on about Mary.
              They use Him as a hook to draw people into their deception. It is all about the RCC and Mary and their man made saints.


              "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

              The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                I do think that ALL Roman Catholics believe in Jesus Christ - in a historical sense. But I question whether or not Roman Catholics actually trust Jesus to save them personally. I question whether or not Roman Catholics truly trust Jesus to save them.
                as a catholic, I believe that salvation comes through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit dispenses those graces won for us by Jesus through his body the church.

                Luke 10:16
                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]He who listens to you, listens to me; he who despises you, despises me; and he who despises me, despises him that sent me. [/COLOR]

                Jesus commissioned his apostles to go and preach the gospel. each person must have it preached to him in order for him to accept or reject the truth. if all were based on private revelation to each person, there is no need for Christ commissioning his apostles to preach the gospel. Jesus revealed himself through his body, the church. Those who reject the truth are condemned but those who have not the truth as offered by Jesus are not condemned. the early Christian writings affirm this danger of rejecting the body of Christ. salvation is offered by god to all and like the ark during the flood, all were saved even those who had no understanding of the matter.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mica View Post
                  yes, it is. my response as a catholic would have been just as confused. catholicism is a mass of confusion.

                  and most don't even know what the gospel is.


                  They use Him as a hook to draw people into their deception. It is all about the RCC and Mary and their man made saints.

                  True, true, true, true, ,,,,,,,,,,,
                  RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                    as a catholic, I believe that salvation comes through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit dispenses those graces won for us by Jesus through his body the church.

                    Luke 10:16
                    [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]He who listens to you, listens to me; he who despises you, despises me; and he who despises me, despises him that sent me. [/COLOR]

                    Jesus commissioned his apostles to go and preach the gospel. each person must have it preached to him in order for him to accept or reject the truth. if all were based on private revelation to each person, there is no need for Christ commissioning his apostles to preach the gospel. Jesus revealed himself through his body, the church. Those who reject the truth are condemned but those who have not the truth as offered by Jesus are not condemned. the early Christian writings affirm this danger of rejecting the body of Christ. salvation is offered by god to all and like the ark during the flood, all were saved even those who had no understanding of the matter.
                    Getting back to the OP topic, If Roman Catholics believed in Jesus Christ then why does Roman Catholicism project the role model of how a dying Roman Catholic should face their death? They must first call for a Roman Catholic priest who will perform 3 Roman Catholic rituals: Confession, Communion, and the Anointing of the Sick and Dying - the Roman Catholic trilogy of sacraments known in Roman Catholic-ism as the 'Last Rites.' Roman Catholics do not personally know Jesus Christ, so they depend on this Roman Catholic series of rituals to prepare them for their death and eternal life - so that's what RC's require of the followers of their sect, because Rome has NOT taught them to know the Lord Jesus Christ and accept Him alone as their Savior, nor have they been taught by the RCC to approach God directly, but rather to go through the sacraments of their church to prepare them for their eternal destiny.
                    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
                      as a catholic, I believe that salvation comes through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit dispenses those graces won for us by Jesus through his body the church.
                      each person who is born again has the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They don't need a particular church group for that. They certainly won't get it thru a false church like the RCC. Each person who is born again is part of the body of Christ.


                      Luke 10:16 He who listens to you, listens to me; he who despises you, despises me; and he who despises me,[I] despises him that sent me.
                      catholics have a problem according to that. They don't listen to Him and they don't listen to the apostles and disciples who wrote His word in the NT. catholics despise His truth and that taught by the men He assigned to write it. The RCC doesn't teach it and what it does teach is contrary to His word.

                      Jesus commissioned his apostles to go and preach the gospel. each person must have it preached to him in order for him to accept or reject the truth. if all were based on private revelation to each person, there is no need for Christ commissioning his apostles to preach the gospel. Jesus revealed himself through his body, the church.
                      yes, to teach the gospel. What is that ramcam?
                      He reveals Himself to those who actually do believe His gospel in their hearts. if you don't know what it is, how can you believe it in your heart? if your church was really teaching it, you would know what it is.

                      His body is not the RCC/CC.

                      Those who reject the truth are condemned but those who have not the truth as offered by Jesus are not condemned. the early Christian writings affirm this danger of rejecting the body of Christ. salvation is offered by god to all and like the ark during the flood, all were saved even those who had no understanding of the matter.
                      reread those 2 and see if you can understand what you wrote.

                      those who are His, are the body of Christ.
                      "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                      The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mica View Post
                        ...

                        They use Him as a hook to draw people into their deception. ...
                        Bait and switch.
                        1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Iakobos View Post

                          To believe in Jesus Christ is to believe in His Body the Church. ...
                          Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                          ... through his body the church.
                          ...
                          John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
                          RCC 14:6 RCC saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
                          1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Iakobos View Post

                            To believe in Jesus Christ is to believe in His Body the Church. This means, the RCC as a group is actually closer to faith in Christ Jesus than evangelicals.
                            So sad. You have this backwards.

                            Those who believe in Jesus Christ ARE His body, the Church.


                            Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church.....

                            1 Cor 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.


                            This means the RCC as a group is wrong.
                            2 Corinthians 5:7 ~ for we walk by faith, not by sight

                            Romans 10:9 ~ that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Iakobos View Post

                              To believe in Jesus Christ is to believe in His Body the Church.
                              Gotta verse for this? Where is anyone told to believe in the church for salvation?

                              This means, the RCC as a group is actually closer to faith in Christ Jesus than evangelicals.
                              The rcc has a false Jesus, a false gospel, a false holy father, a false vicar of Christ......Explain how your institution is closer to God when it denies every major tenet of biblical christianity?
                              Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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