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    In another thread, one of the Catholic posters here said:

    I don't believe for a moment, nor does Scripture teach, that the Father judges the Son as "guilty" for any of our sins.
    Do all Catholics share this heretical view?
    The federal government is the only place in the world where ineptitude and corruption is met with demands for more ineptitude and corruption. - Buck Sexton

  • #2
    Originally posted by War_Eagle View Post
    In another thread, one of the Catholic posters here said:



    Do all Catholics share this heretical view?
    Hi War_Eagle,

    That is not a heretical view.
    Jesus Christ was not and is not guilty of any sin.

    Let us pray for one another and love one another.
    -Ray-

    The Good News is that Jesus Christ died and rose for our sins so that we might be saved.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by relling View Post

      Hi War_Eagle,

      That is not a heretical view.
      Jesus Christ was not and is not guilty of any sin.

      Let us pray for one another and love one another.
      So then, you would say this denial of the Gospel is a common Catholic belief?
      The federal government is the only place in the world where ineptitude and corruption is met with demands for more ineptitude and corruption. - Buck Sexton

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      • #4
        Originally posted by War_Eagle View Post

        So then, you would say this denial of the Gospel is a common Catholic belief?
        Hi War_Eagle,

        No. I wouldn't say that.



        Let us pray for one another and love one another.
        -Ray-

        The Good News is that Jesus Christ died and rose for our sins so that we might be saved.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by War_Eagle View Post

          So then, you would say this denial of the Gospel is a common Catholic belief?
          It's not a denial of the Gospel. It's a denial of your interpretation of the Gospel.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kirby View Post

            It's not a denial of the Gospel. It's a denial of your interpretation of the Gospel.
            So, if the Gospel isn't that Jesus was judged and punished in our place, then what is it?

            What do Catholics do with the following verses:

            Therefore I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the spoils with the strong, because He has poured out His life unto death, and He was numbered among the transgressors. Yet He bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors. - Isaiah 53:12

            For our sake, He made Him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him, we might become the righteousness of God - 1 Corinthians 5:21


            The federal government is the only place in the world where ineptitude and corruption is met with demands for more ineptitude and corruption. - Buck Sexton

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            • #7
              Originally posted by War_Eagle View Post

              So, if the Gospel isn't that Jesus was judged and punished in our place, then what is it?

              What do Catholics do with the following verses:

              Therefore I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the spoils with the strong, because He has poured out His life unto death, and He was numbered among the transgressors. Yet He bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors. - Isaiah 53:12

              For our sake, He made Him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him, we might become the righteousness of God - 1 Corinthians 5:21

              It means that Jesus paid the penalty due to our sin (death and separation from God). It doesn't mean that the Father saw that Jesus committed sin and punished Him for it.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by kirby View Post

                It means that Jesus paid the penalty due to our sin (death and separation from God). It doesn't mean that the Father saw that Jesus committed sin and punished Him for it.
                Nobody said Jesus committed sin. But the Bible does say that Jesus was judged on our behalf and was "numbered among the transgressors".
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by War_Eagle View Post
                  N

                  Nobody said Jesus committed sin. But the Bible does say that Jesus was judged on our behalf and was "numbered among the transgressors".
                  You're not answering my question. Did the Father judge the Son as guilty of our sins? Do you think the Bible is telling us that the Father judged the Son as guilty of our sins?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kirby View Post

                    You're not answering my question. Did the Father judge the Son as guilty of our sins?
                    You didn't ask a question.

                    Yes, as Christian, I believe the Bible's teaching that God judged Christ in our place and placed our guilt upon Him.

                    Do you think the Bible is telling us that the Father judged the Son as guilty of our sins?
                    Yes. That's the Gospel. I believe it.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kirby View Post

                      It's not a denial of the Gospel. It's a denial of your interpretation of the Gospel.
                      What is the gospel ?
                      "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                      The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by War_Eagle View Post

                        You didn't ask a question.

                        Yes, as Christian, I believe the Bible's teaching that God judged Christ in our place and placed our guilt upon Him.



                        Yes. That's the Gospel. I believe it.

                        Does placed our guilt upon Him mean the same thing as saw the Son as guilty? I'm asking only because I'm not a mind-reader and it's difficult to tell exactly what a person believes when we use the same words but possibly mean different things by them.

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