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What Hope is There of Change Within the Roman Catholic Church?

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  • What Hope is There of Change Within the Roman Catholic Church?

    Some folks who were raised in the RCC, but are now born-again Christians, are driven by misguided loyalties, and so they remain in the RCC convinced that , despite its faults it can change and truly be Christ's church. They know that the RCC does not preach the gospel, that the Mass is not what the Church says it is, and that a priest cannot absolve sins. Nevertheless, they remain, thinking that Christ is there.
    But - Christ is NOT there. He is not in the Eucharist. He is not in the tabernacle of the main altar. He is not hanging on the life-size crucifix suspended by cables over the priest's head. Christ does not dwell in buildings, but in the hearts of the redeemed. And where the gospel is not preached, the people remain dead in their sins, void of the life of God.
    The same question might be asked of these born-again Catholics looking for the Lord Jesus in the RCC. "He is not here, but He has risen!" the angel told the women at Christ's tomb. Do you agree that these Roman Catholics need to realize that the same is true of the Church of Rome. Christ is NOT there.
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
    Some folks who were raised in the RCC, but are now born-again Christians, are driven by misguided loyalties, and so they remain in the RCC convinced that , despite its faults it can change and truly be Christ's church. They know that the RCC does not preach the gospel, that the Mass is not what the Church says it is, and that a priest cannot absolve sins. Nevertheless, they remain, thinking that Christ is there.
    But - Christ is NOT there. He is not in the Eucharist. He is not in the tabernacle of the main altar. He is not hanging on the life-size crucifix suspended by cables over the priest's head. Christ does not dwell in buildings, but in the hearts of the redeemed. And where the gospel is not preached, the people remain dead in their sins, void of the life of God.
    The same question might be asked of these born-again Catholics looking for the Lord Jesus in the RCC. "He is not here, but He has risen!" the angel told the women at Christ's tomb. Do you agree that these Roman Catholics need to realize that the same is true of the Church of Rome. Christ is NOT there.
    For the overall Religio/Political Catholic organizations themselves, not a snowball's chance!!!

    For the INDIVIDUALS within the system, if the REAL Born Again Believers leave, they take the witness of the Holy Spirit, and their ministries to others out with them. Born Again Catholics no longer look for Jesus in the "System" - they don't have to since He lives within them.

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    • #3
      I don't think the RCC is really interested in changing. They feel that everything they do is chiseled in stone and unchangeable.

      I could think of dozens of ways the Magisterium could change to resolve the Sex Abuse problems among others, but there is just no interest.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
        Some folks who were raised in the RCC, but are now born-again Christians, are driven by misguided loyalties, and so they remain in the RCC convinced that , despite its faults it can change and truly be Christ's church. They know that the RCC does not preach the gospel, that the Mass is not what the Church says it is, and that a priest cannot absolve sins. Nevertheless, they remain, thinking that Christ is there.
        But - Christ is NOT there. He is not in the Eucharist. He is not in the tabernacle of the main altar. He is not hanging on the life-size crucifix suspended by cables over the priest's head. Christ does not dwell in buildings, but in the hearts of the redeemed. And where the gospel is not preached, the people remain dead in their sins, void of the life of God.
        The same question might be asked of these born-again Catholics looking for the Lord Jesus in the RCC. "He is not here, but He has risen!" the angel told the women at Christ's tomb. Do you agree that these Roman Catholics need to realize that the same is true of the Church of Rome. Christ is NOT there.
        Great post Raynebeau!
        It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flatů

        Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
          Do you agree that these Roman Catholics need to realize that the same is true of the Church of Rome. Christ is NOT there.
          The answer to your question is right here on this forum. By and large, catholics do not want to listen to the truth. Every time someone tries to tell them, they cover their ears and scream "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" in their minds voice so that they cannot hear what is being said. They do not understand why the rcc is so despised, but they refuse to ask why. They are told the truth, but prefer to exchange it for a lie. They reject the word of GOD by twisting it in pretzels to suit their own agenda. They have built their church on a man rather than the Chief Cornerstone. They reject the light and revel in the darkness in which they inhabit. They are lost. Rather than asking for guidance, they keep wandering further away from GOD. The question I have is this, who would GOD consider more stiffnecked? catholics or the Jews?
          The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.Psalms 12:6

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

            Great post Raynebeau!
            What's great about this post exactly? It's just full of falsehoods and untruths.

            If what he said was true, they'd be worshipping a false God. Can a born again person worship a false God?

            Thankfully he's wrong and Christ is in the Eucharist. The Catholic Church of course teaches the Gospel. They do not teach that Christ is "in" the statue.
            Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
            and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

              What's great about this post exactly? It's just full of falsehoods and untruths.
              everything. it's full of truth.

              If what he said was true, they'd be worshipping a false God. Can a born again person worship a false God?
              they are worshipping a false God - the RCC.

              Thankfully he's wrong and Christ is in the Eucharist. The Catholic Church of course teaches the Gospel. They do not teach that Christ is "in" the statue.
              Christ is not in the catholic wafer - nor in a box they think they contain Him in. the CC seldom teaches the gospel. It mentions it here and there. the majority of what the RCC teaches isn't truth at all and it isn't found in scripture.


              "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

              The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

                What's great about this post exactly? It's just full of falsehoods and untruths.

                If what he said was true, they'd be worshipping a false God. Can a born again person worship a false God?

                Thankfully he's wrong and Christ is in the Eucharist. The Catholic Church of course teaches the Gospel. They do not teach that Christ is "in" the statue.
                Your criticism is both misinformed and unbiblical. As for Roman Catholics who claim they have been "born-again" and stay within the RCC are not going to change it. Rome's sordid history over the past 500 years shows that it is steadily moving away from the truth, and not towards it. Take a look at the 16th century for example, several of the RCC's theologians and priests called for reform, the RCC then responded with the sword, the stake and the fire.
                RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                  Your criticism is both misinformed and unbiblical. As for Roman Catholics who claim they have been "born-again" and stay within the RCC are not going to change it. Rome's sordid history over the past 500 years shows that it is steadily moving away from the truth, and not towards it. Take a look at the 16th century for example, several of the RCC's theologians and priests called for reform, the RCC then responded with the sword, the stake and the fire.
                  I don't know of anywhere in the NT where Jesus or the apostles responded in that way to the false teachers of their time. That's not how His church would react. The RCC so obviously shows and tells us that it is not His church.

                  "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                  The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                    Some folks who were raised in the RCC, but are now born-again Christians, are driven by misguided loyalties, and so they remain in the RCC convinced that , despite its faults it can change and truly be Christ's church. They know that the RCC does not preach the gospel, that the Mass is not what the Church says it is, and that a priest cannot absolve sins. Nevertheless, they remain, thinking that Christ is there.
                    But - Christ is NOT there. He is not in the Eucharist. He is not in the tabernacle of the main altar. He is not hanging on the life-size crucifix suspended by cables over the priest's head. Christ does not dwell in buildings, but in the hearts of the redeemed. And where the gospel is not preached, the people remain dead in their sins, void of the life of God.
                    The same question might be asked of these born-again Catholics looking for the Lord Jesus in the RCC. "He is not here, but He has risen!" the angel told the women at Christ's tomb. Do you agree that these Roman Catholics need to realize that the same is true of the Church of Rome. Christ is NOT there.
                    there is no hope they change, since that institution has the oldest rights, and represents the prince of the air and mystery babylon.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mica View Post
                      I don't know of anywhere in the NT where Jesus or the apostles responded in that way to the false teachers of their time. That's not how His church would react. The RCC so obviously shows and tells us that it is not His church.
                      Amen Mica! Another example of how Christ's true Church would NOT ever do anything like how at the Council of Trent (1545-63), Rome's bishops (the false teachers of Jesus time) turned errors into unchangeable dogmas, and pronounced solemn judgment upon anyone who taught otherwise. And most significantly, these Roman Catholic false teachers (the RC bishops) at Trent, formally rejected the doctrine of salvation through faith in Christ alone!
                      RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                        Some folks who were raised in the RCC, but are now born-again Christians, are driven by misguided loyalties, and so they remain in the RCC convinced that , despite its faults it can change and truly be Christ's church. They know that the RCC does not preach the gospel, that the Mass is not what the Church says it is, and that a priest cannot absolve sins. Nevertheless, they remain, thinking that Christ is there.
                        But - Christ is NOT there. He is not in the Eucharist. He is not in the tabernacle of the main altar. He is not hanging on the life-size crucifix suspended by cables over the priest's head. Christ does not dwell in buildings, but in the hearts of the redeemed. And where the gospel is not preached, the people remain dead in their sins, void of the life of God.
                        The same question might be asked of these born-again Catholics looking for the Lord Jesus in the RCC. "He is not here, but He has risen!" the angel told the women at Christ's tomb. Do you agree that these Roman Catholics need to realize that the same is true of the Church of Rome. Christ is NOT there.
                        You'd have to convince me God is a Spiritual Nazi and that Love is not the highest priority.


                        Let me see if got your gospel right......."If God likes you, you will be saved, If God doesn't like you then you are toast." Did I get it right? Or was that the Muslims or Dormammu from Dr. Strange?

                        See rumor has it ...the Jehovah's Witness turned you guys down. And if those bookworms and pacifists have found that kinda nerve then of course Catholics have their reputation to consider.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by leonard03782 View Post

                          The answer to your question is right here on this forum. By and large, catholics do not want to listen to the truth. Every time someone tries to tell them, they cover their ears and scream "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" in their minds voice so that they cannot hear what is being said. They do not understand why the rcc is so despised, but they refuse to ask why. They are told the truth, but prefer to exchange it for a lie. They reject the word of GOD by twisting it in pretzels to suit their own agenda. They have built their church on a man rather than the Chief Cornerstone. They reject the light and revel in the darkness in which they inhabit. They are lost. Rather than asking for guidance, they keep wandering further away from GOD. The question I have is this, who would GOD consider more stiffnecked? catholics or the Jews?
                          As a Catholic I know why....

                          Psalm 25:19 See how many are my enemies,
                          see how fiercely they hate me.

                          Jn 15 :18-19 If the world hates you, realize that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you.

                          1 Jn 3:13 Do not be amazed, [then,] brothers, if the world hates you.

                          Mt 10:22 You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved.

                          Mt 24:9 Then they will hand you over to persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of my name.

                          1Jn 2:19; Jn 6:53

                          "...wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius-Antioch

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

                            What's great about this post exactly? It's just full of falsehoods and untruths.

                            If what he said was true, they'd be worshipping a false God. Can a born again person worship a false God?

                            No, but they can worship falsely.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                              Some folks who were raised in the RCC, but are now born-again Christians, are driven by misguided loyalties, and so they remain in the RCC convinced that , despite its faults it can change and truly be Christ's church. They know that the RCC does not preach the gospel, that the Mass is not what the Church says it is, and that a priest cannot absolve sins. Nevertheless, they remain, thinking that Christ is there.
                              But - Christ is NOT there. He is not in the Eucharist. He is not in the tabernacle of the main altar. He is not hanging on the life-size crucifix suspended by cables over the priest's head. Christ does not dwell in buildings, but in the hearts of the redeemed. And where the gospel is not preached, the people remain dead in their sins, void of the life of God.
                              The same question might be asked of these born-again Catholics looking for the Lord Jesus in the RCC. "He is not here, but He has risen!" the angel told the women at Christ's tomb. Do you agree that these Roman Catholics need to realize that the same is true of the Church of Rome. Christ is NOT there.
                              Why don't we ask mica?

                              Mica, when you were a Roman Catholic, did you ever go to a tomb looking for Jesus?
                              31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations,.." (Mt. 25) May the Divine assistance remain always with us and the Choctaw Nation.

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