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"Sinner's prayer" -- Long version

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  • "Sinner's prayer" -- Long version

    Recited throughout the history of the apostolic Church and still recited during Mass:

    We believe in one God,
    the Father almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all things visible and invisible.

    And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    begotten from the Father before all ages,
    God from God,
    Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made;
    of the same essence as the Father.
    Through him all things were made.
    For us and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven;
    he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
    and was made human.
    He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered and was buried.
    The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
    He ascended to heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again with glory
    to judge the living and the dead.
    His kingdom will never end.

    And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
    the Lord, the giver of life.
    He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
    He spoke through the prophets.
    We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
    We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
    We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
    and to life in the world to come. Amen.

    Protestantism= have it your way theology

  • #2
    that's a bunch of statements, not a prayer.
    "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

    The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mica View Post
      that's a bunch of statements, not a prayer.
      We consider it a prayer of adoration and a statement of faith.
      Pray!

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      • #4
        no doubt... catholics consider talking to dead people to be prayer too. are those dead people your god?


        "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

        The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by History_refutes_you View Post
          Recited throughout the history of the apostolic Church and still recited during Mass:

          We believe in one God,
          the Father almighty,
          maker of heaven and earth,
          of all things visible and invisible.

          And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
          the only Son of God,
          begotten from the Father before all ages,
          God from God,
          Light from Light,
          true God from true God,
          begotten, not made;
          of the same essence as the Father.
          Through him all things were made.
          For us and for our salvation
          he came down from heaven;
          he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
          and was made human.
          He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
          he suffered and was buried.
          The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
          He ascended to heaven
          and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
          He will come again with glory
          to judge the living and the dead.
          His kingdom will never end.

          And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
          the Lord, the giver of life.
          He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
          and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
          He spoke through the prophets.
          We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
          We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
          We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
          and to life in the world to come. Amen.
          Fine. And what does this mean to your salvation?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Johan View Post

            Fine. And what does this mean to your salvation?
            It's called a Creed (from the Latin credo "I believe"), a statement of one's faith. This confession is done with the mouth.

            English Standard Version
            For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved
            31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations,.." (Mt. 25) May the Divine assistance remain always with us and the Choctaw Nation.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Only_3 View Post

              It's called a Creed (from the Latin credo "I believe"), a statement of one's faith. This confession is done with the mouth.

              English Standard Version
              For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved
              Of course I know that it is the Nicene Creed, but I asked how it relates to his/her salvation. Your answer seems to be that if we believe what this creed is expressing, then we will be saved. Is that so?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by History_refutes_you View Post
                Recited throughout the history of the apostolic Church and still recited during Mass:


                We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
                Ah, the esoteric message.

                We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
                Which baptism forgives sins?
                1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Johan View Post

                  Of course I know that it is the Nicene Creed, but I asked how it relates to his/her salvation. Your answer seems to be that if we believe what this creed is expressing, then we will be saved. Is that so?
                  Key point too is that you must confess with your mouth. Do you disbelieve the contents of the creed to the point that you would not confess it with your mouth?
                  31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations,.." (Mt. 25) May the Divine assistance remain always with us and the Choctaw Nation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                    Ah, the esoteric message.


                    Which baptism forgives sins?
                    There is only one (not two or more) baptism for the forgiveness of sins. So it would be the baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
                    31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations,.." (Mt. 25) May the Divine assistance remain always with us and the Choctaw Nation.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                      Ah, the esoteric message.


                      Which baptism forgives sins?
                      I believe, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, the apostles of Christ were baptized only one time for the forgiveness of sins.

                      31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations,.." (Mt. 25) May the Divine assistance remain always with us and the Choctaw Nation.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Only_3 View Post

                        Key point too is that you must confess with your mouth. Do you disbelieve the contents of the creed to the point that you would not confess it with your mouth?
                        confess what?
                        "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                        The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Only_3 View Post

                          There is only one (not two or more) baptism for the forgiveness of sins. So it would be the baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
                          catholics only know 1 baptism - that of water which happened prior to His death and resurrection. What did JTB say about the change of baptism?

                          "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                          The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Only_3 View Post

                            It's called a Creed (from the Latin credo "I believe"), a statement of one's faith. This confession is done with the mouth.

                            English Standard Version
                            For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved
                            Are you stating one must confess Apostle's Creed to be saved?
                            1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mica View Post
                              confess what?
                              if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord
                              The Creed: And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,

                              and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead,
                              The Creed: The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.

                              you will be saved.
                              31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations,.." (Mt. 25) May the Divine assistance remain always with us and the Choctaw Nation.

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