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  • Rome has spoken, the matter is finished.

    In the Catholic Church, matters are debated for a time. But when the Church makes a decision, the matter is put to rest.
    Protestantism, on the contrary, debates things ad infinitum and has no way of settling any matter.
    The Scripture describes Protestants:

    2 Timothy 3:7
    7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    Pray!

  • #2
    Originally posted by De Maria View Post
    In the Catholic Church, matters are debated for a time. But when the Church makes a decision, the matter is put to rest.
    Protestantism, on the contrary, debates things ad infinitum and has no way of settling any matter.
    The Scripture describes Protestants:

    2 Timothy 3:7
    7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
    is this one?
    Is Ordinatio Sacerdotalis from 1994 an infallible doctrine or not?


    from EWTN
    "In fact, it is a textbook case of infallibility in action."
    https://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ORDIN.TXT


    from US Catholic
    Canonists and theologians the world over argued that the teaching was not infallible for a variety of reasons. -"
    http://www.uscatholic.org/blog/2011/...ens-ordination
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    • #3
      Originally posted by De Maria View Post
      In the Catholic Church, matters are debated for a time. But when the Church makes a decision, the matter is put to rest.
      Protestantism, on the contrary, debates things ad infinitum and has no way of settling any matter.
      The Scripture describes Protestants:

      2 Timothy 3:7
      7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
      old CCC 2267
      2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.


      new
      2267. Recourse to the death penalty on the part of legitimate authority, following a fair trial, was long considered an appropriate response to the gravity of certain crimes and an acceptable, albeit extreme, means of safeguarding the common good.
      Today, however, there is an increasing awareness that the dignity of the person is not lost even after the commission of very serious crimes. In addition, a new understanding has emerged of the significance of penal sanctions imposed by the state. Lastly, more effective systems of detention have been developed, which ensure the due protection of citizens but, at the same time, do not definitively deprive the guilty of the possibility of redemption.
      Consequently, the Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel, that “the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person”, and she works with determination for its abolition worldwide.
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      • #4
        When the Pope said "doctrinal errors should be put aside..."
        what did he mean?
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        • #5
          I am quoting Leon J. Podles (a member of the Fellowship of Catholic Scholars.) not Gallup
          http://www.podles.org/dialogue/183-183.htm
          from 2009 and is more true today

          "The Gallup Poll, as Bill Cork pointed out, has revealed that
          Church-going Catholics are far more likely that Church-going non-Catholics (almost all Protestant) to accept immoral behavior.

          I do not find this surprising. Other polls I have seen over the years reveal similar patterns.

          Why are Church-going Protestants better able to resist accepting prevalent secular attitudes to morality?
          Catholics once submitted to the teaching authority of the Church; many Catholics, even those who regularly attend church, have clearly rejected that, and have nothing to replace it except the standards of American society.

          Perhaps Protestantism, built upon a veneration of the Bible, has been better able to resist the moral acids of secularism.

          Catholics claim that the living authority of the magisterium is better able to meet moral challenges, but this does not in fact seem to be the case.
          Roma locuta est, but very few Catholics are listening.

          When the Bible speaks, (and it does speak clearly on many issues) many Protestants listen." -Leon J. Podles
          One of the ekklēsia

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          • #6
            "Rome has spoken, the matter is finished."

            https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-cath...-liberal-pope/
            "Catholics don't think it is necessary to agree with the pope on issues like abortion and birth control in order to be a faithful member of the church.

            Eighty-three percent of Catholics said they think it's possible to disagree with the pope on issues like these and still be a good Catholic,

            and 78 percent of American Catholics are more likely to follow their own consciences rather than the pope's teachings (13 percent) on difficult moral issues. "


            so I ask Catholics:

            If you know what the Catholic Church teaches
            and someone tells you they are a GOOD and FAITHFUL Catholic,
            will you know what they believe?

            is the matter finished?
            One of the ekklēsia

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            • #7
              how's that Amazon Synod working out for Catholics?
              https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/la...ay-it-out-loud

              Originally posted by De Maria View Post
              In the Catholic Church, matters are debated for a time. But when the Church makes a decision, the matter is put to rest.

              A 1000 year old doctrine is being debated.
              will the debate be over in the next 100 years or so ?

              you OP is a willfull denial of the reality of your Catholic Church
              From the Pope to the laity: there is nothing but confusion.
              One of the ekklēsia

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              • #8
                Cardinal Walter Kasper re: Vatican II
                "In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction." (L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)"

                its hard to settle a debate where there is selective reception in either direction
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by De Maria View Post
                  In the Catholic Church, matters are debated for a time. But when the Church makes a decision, the matter is put to rest.
                  Protestantism, on the contrary, debates things ad infinitum and has no way of settling any matter.
                  The Scripture describes Protestants:

                  2 Timothy 3:7
                  7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
                  Au contraire the nCCs do settle the matter - the settle the matter by dividing themselves into smaller factions and then each faction declares that scripture alone is their final authority.
                  "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot

                  "There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still." Betsy ten Boom

                  "God in His deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since He has in Himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love." John Paul II

                  ’Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.’ One of the greatest responses in all of scripture.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tester View Post
                    I am quoting Leon J. Podles (a member of the Fellowship of Catholic Scholars.) not Gallup
                    http://www.podles.org/dialogue/183-183.htm
                    from 2009 and is more true today

                    "The Gallup Poll, as Bill Cork pointed out, has revealed that
                    Church-going Catholics are far more likely that Church-going non-Catholics (almost all Protestant) to accept immoral behavior.

                    I do not find this surprising. Other polls I have seen over the years reveal similar patterns.

                    Why are Church-going Protestants better able to resist accepting prevalent secular attitudes to morality?
                    Catholics once submitted to the teaching authority of the Church; many Catholics, even those who regularly attend church, have clearly rejected that, and have nothing to replace it except the standards of American society.

                    Perhaps Protestantism, built upon a veneration of the Bible, has been better able to resist the moral acids of secularism.

                    Catholics claim that the living authority of the magisterium is better able to meet moral challenges, but this does not in fact seem to be the case.
                    Roma locuta est, but very few Catholics are listening.

                    When the Bible speaks, (and it does speak clearly on many issues) many Protestants listen." -Leon J. Podles
                    Here is a perfect example

                    "Many Catholics in the United States disagree with the official position promulgated by the Church; the views of these people range from allowing exceptions in a generally pro-life position, to complete acceptance of abortion There is a distinction between practicing Catholics and non-practicing Catholics on the issue; practicing Catholics, along with Latino Catholics, are far more likely to be while non-practicing Catholics are more likely to be prochoice

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aborti..._United_States
                    Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

                      Au contraire the nCCs do settle the matter - the settle the matter by dividing themselves into smaller factions and then each faction declares that scripture alone is their final authority.
                      Whereas Rcs just ignore the differences they have ... 50% don't even believe in transubstantiation
                      Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Calsgal View Post

                        Whereas Rcs just ignore the differences they have ... 50% don't even believe in transubstantiation
                        So how are we better off if we leave the CC?
                        "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot

                        "There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still." Betsy ten Boom

                        "God in His deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since He has in Himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love." John Paul II

                        ’Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.’ One of the greatest responses in all of scripture.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by De Maria View Post
                          In the Catholic Church, matters are debated for a time. But when the Church makes a decision, the matter is put to rest.
                          Protestantism, on the contrary, debates things ad infinitum and has no way of settling any matter.
                          The Scripture describes Protestants:

                          2 Timothy 3:7
                          7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
                          another proclamation of the RCC being the god of catholics.


                          "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                          The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rldlolbeding View Post

                            Au contraire the nCCs do settle the matter - the settle the matter by dividing themselves into smaller factions and then each faction declares that scripture alone is their final authority.
                            fact
                            Eighty-three percent of Catholics said they think it's possible to disagree with the pope on issues like these and still be a good Catholic,

                            fact
                            it is impossible for Sola Scriptura practicing Christians
                            to disagree with the Scriptures on issues like these and still be a good Christian

                            so I ask Catholics:
                            If you know what the Catholic Church teaches
                            and someone tells you they are a GOOD and FAITHFUL Catholic,
                            will you know what they believe?
                            One of the ekklēsia

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                            • #15
                              The Catholic Church will decide that question. You see, unlike Protestantism, which is decided
                              by the individual for the individual, the Catholic Church was ordained by God to be the
                              Teacher of His Word.

                              In Protestantism, you will ALWAYS have debate about whether infant baptism is valid,
                              whether baptism produces new birth, whether there is a Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist,
                              etc. etc. Because all that a Protestant has to do is pick up his bible and go home.
                              Pray!

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