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  • Od:hgd
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    Gather 'Round Peter

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    I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church in 1944. When old enough, my mom put me into Catechism where, in time. I managed to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation. Our church attendance on Sunday was fairly regular. We didn't always make it, but most of the time did.

    The liturgy incorporated homilies based upon the apostle Peter's epistles; which I sort of let go in one ear and out the other. It wasn't till years later when I caught on that Peter spoke for Christ, and that non compliance with Peter's instructions is all the same as non compliance with Christ's; it's a domino effect all the way to the top.

    Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you; rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

    Paul's epistles have much to say about one's personal conduct, and Peter's do too; in point of fact: quite much. I've included a few of his instructions in this post which, if complied with, will make any Christian on either side of aisle better people; whether Catholic or non Catholic makes no difference.

    First: say hello to the apostle Peter.

    2Pet 1:2 . . Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

    Now please; listen to some of Peter's knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

    1Pet 1:14-16. . As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written: You shall be holy, for I am holy.

    1Pet 1:17-18 . . And if you address as "Father" the one who impartially judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves in reverential fear during the time of your stay upon earth

    1Pet 2:21-24 . . For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps . . who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously

    1Pet 1:22b . . See that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently

    1Pet 2:1-3 . .Lay aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking;

    1Pet 2:17a . . Honor all men.

    1Pet 3:8b-9 . . Having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous; not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing.

    1Pet 3:10-11 . . Let him who means to love life and see good days refrain his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking guile. And let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.

    2Pet 1:5-7 . . Make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

    I should think it goes without saying that Peter's knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord is quite useless for the purpose of obtaining grace and peace in abundance unless it's put into practice.

    Jas 1:22-25 . . Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it-- he will be blessed in what he does. (cf. Matt 7:24-27)
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  • PeanutGallery
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    Originally posted by De Maria View Post

    Lol! Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean it hasn't been provided.


    Matthew 28:18Then Jesus came to them and said,
    “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
    19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
    baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
    And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
    Still begging; And where did Scripture, Jesus, or his apostles teach the Church about two sinless mediators and advocates, let alone bowing and making requests to spirits behind the statues?

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  • De Maria
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    Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post

    You're begging; you did not answer the question:
    And where did Scripture, Jesus, or his apostles teach the Church about two sinless mediators and advocates, let alone bowing and making requests to spirits behind the statues?
    Lol! Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean it hasn't been provided.


    Matthew 28:18Then Jesus came to them and said,
    All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
    19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
    baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
    And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

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  • PeanutGallery
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    Originally posted by De Maria View Post

    Jesus Taught the Church while He was walking this earth. Everything the Church Teaches was
    commanded by Jesus Christ (Matt 28:18-20)

    Matthew 28:18Then Jesus came to them and said,
    “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
    19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
    baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
    And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
    You're begging; you did not answer the question:
    And where did Scripture, Jesus, or his apostles teach the Church about two sinless mediators and advocates, let alone bowing and making requests to spirits behind the statues?

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  • De Maria
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    Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
    And where did Scripture, Jesus, or his apostles teach the Church about two sinless mediators and advocates, let alone bowing and making requests to spirits behind the statues?
    Jesus Taught the Church while He was walking this earth. Everything the Church Teaches was
    commanded by Jesus Christ (Matt 28:18-20)

    Matthew 28:18Then Jesus came to them and said,
    All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
    19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
    baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
    And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

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  • PeanutGallery
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    Originally posted by De Maria View Post

    I'm stating that Jesus Christ Taught the Church all that He expected the Church to Teach to the world. All His Wisdom.

    Ephesians 3:10 New International Version (NIV)
    10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God
    should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
    And where did Scripture, Jesus, or his apostles teach the Church about two sinless mediators and advocates, let alone bowing and making requests to spirits behind the statues?

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  • De Maria
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    Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
    Are you stating that the lesser inspired word of God is blessed by the greater uninspired Tradition of the RCC?
    I'm stating that Jesus Christ Taught the Church all that He expected the Church to Teach to the world. All His Wisdom.

    Ephesians 3:10 New International Version (NIV)
    10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God
    should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,

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  • PeanutGallery
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    Originally posted by De Maria View Post

    The Epistles are inspired because they are based upon the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church.
    Are you stating that the lesser inspired word of God is blessed by the greater uninspired Tradition of the RCC?

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  • De Maria
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    Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
    How did you jump from Peter's inspired epistles to Rome's uninspired Tradition?
    The Epistles are inspired because they are based upon the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church.

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  • De Maria
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    Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

    Where are we ever told to comply with epistles?

    2 Thess 1:8-9
    8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, NASB

    People go to hell for rejecting Jesus and His gospel, not from failing to comply with an epistle.
    Some things don't need to be told. Do you disobey the Epistles? Where are we told we are
    free to disobey the Epistles? If you disobey an Epistle, you disobey the Gospel, because they
    Teach the same thing.

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  • Od:hgd
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    2Pet 3:18 . . But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    A gracious person is honest, kind, courteous, inclined to good will, generous, cheerful, reliable, trustworthy, faithful, genial, sociable, generous, thoughtful, patient, lenient, tolerant, temperate, approachable, helpful, peaceable, charitable, altruistic, compassionate, sympathetic, cordial, proper, elegant, polite, genteel, reasonable, affable, agreeable, genial, cheerful, warm, sensitive, hospitable, considerate, diplomatic, and tactful.

    Why the instruction to grow in grace? Because people in Heaven are nothing like the churlish race of brutish hominids infesting the world down here. Heaven's society is populated with really nice folk: they're good people; the best of the best. Unrefined behavior doesn't fit in there; it's a fish out of water. People of little grace would likely hate the place; and they very definitely would annoy God and disgust Him every day.

    -- The End --
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  • Od:hgd
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    2Pet 3:14 . .Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless

    Some of the brethren haven't a clue what it is to be in peace; their temperaments won't permit. But that's something they really need to work on because temperamental behavior isn't permitted in Heaven, and it won't be permitted in the new cosmos either.

    FAQ: Is there no hope for people born with temperamental dispositions?

    A: It's possible for people to be rid of their natural-born human nature and replace it with a nature very similar to God's.

    2Pet 1:3-4 . . His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and piety, through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own glory and excellence, by which He has granted to us His precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.

    It's pretty obvious throughout the New Testament that Jesus had divine nature. (2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 1:18-19, 1Pet 2:22, and 1John 3:5)

    It gave him quite an advantage.

    John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

    Were it not for his having divine nature; Jesus could never claim to always please the Father. Had Jesus come into the world having only human nature, he might've pleased the Father some of the time, or even most of the time, but certainly not all the time.

    The Greek word for "looking forward" is prosdokao (pros-dok-ah'-o) which means: to anticipate; viz: to await; for example:

    When I was a small boy living in Santee California back in the late 1940's, I used to climb one of the olive trees in the front yard so I could see down the road in the direction that my dad came home every evening in a black 1933 Model A Ford. I always climbed the tree ahead of time so I could begin watching for my dad and spot him coming a long ways off, and then I'd get down and sprint out to the end of our dirt driveway and jump on the running board of that old Ford and ride it back to the house with my dad.

    Prosdokao is like that. It fully expects the arrival of a future event; and the future event Peter spoke of in previous verses is not only The Lord's return; but also the utter annihilation of the current cosmos to be replaced by one in which only righteousness exists. Today, righteousness and unrighteousness exist side by side, but in the future, it won't be like that.
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  • Od:hgd
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    2Pet 1:5-7 reprised from post No.36

    "Make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love."

    The Greek word for "virtue" is arete (ar-et'-ay) which basically refers to the strength, and the courage, to stand for what's right.

    The word for "knowledge" is gnosis (gno'-sis) which basically refers to information obtained by teaching, instruction, and study rather than known naturally by intuition and/or instinct.

    The word for "self-control" is egkrateia (eng-krat'-i-ah) which means: continence. The opposite of continence is incontinence; which is the condition where a person cannot restrain their natural impulses.

    The word for "perseverance" is hupomone (hoop-om-on-ay') which means: cheerful (or hopeful) constancy. A hupomone person always keeps looking for the light that they know is at the end of the tunnel; and even if they can't see it for now; they fully expect to.

    The word for "godliness" is eusebeia (yoo-seb'-i-ah) which means: piety; defined by Webster's as dutifulness in religion; viz: devoutness; i.e. dedication.

    The word for "brotherly kindness" is philadelphia (fil-ad-el-fee'-ah) which means fraternal affection; i.e. fondness. In these days of dysfunctional homes in the USA, fraternal affection has no point of reference in the thinking of some people because they've never seen it, nor ever experienced it. Is it any wonder then that so many homes in America are producing sociopaths, and kids with Reactive Attachment Disorder?

    The word for "love" is agape (ag-ah'-pay) which may or may not contain the elements of affection and fondness; but always contains the element of benevolence.

    Benevolent people are good folk; they're typically helpful, kind, generous, cordial, hospitable, courteous, tolerant, sympathetic, loyal, and civil.

    Agape was a sorely-missing element in my three years of service in the US Army from 1961 to 1964. The men disliked each other; and the men disliked the officers and non-coms; and they in turn disliked the men. Everybody mistrusted each other and each guy had at the most only a couple of guys in my whole 200-man unit he could lean on. That lack of agape had an impact on unit cohesiveness and made America's enemies seem more like friends than foes.

    I really appreciate Charlie Sheen's line towards the end of the Hollywood movie "PLATOON". It goes something like this: "I think now, looking back, we did not fight the enemy-- we fought ourselves . . . and the enemy was in us." That line is profound; and an excellent companion to a line in "Terminator 2, Judgment Day" when Arnold Schwarzenegger commented to the young John Connor: "It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."
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  • Od:hgd
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    2Pet 1:5-7 . . Make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

    All those things listed by the apostle Peter are "supplements" defined by Webster's as things that are added.

    If Peter's list is chronological, then it's evident that believers are not supposed to start with love and work towards faith, rather they're supposed to start with faith and work towards love, viz: unloving believers are still believers yes, but they've plenty of room for improvement; viz: their confidence in Christ's crucifixion as a price he paid to ransom their souls from the wrath of God is good, but it's only the beginning; i.e. a foundation upon which Peter urges them to accumulate the traits on his list.
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  • Od:hgd
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    1Pet 5:5b . . and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

    The Greek word for "humble" is tapeinophrosune (tap-i-nof-ros-oo'-nay) which means lowliness of mind; viz: modesty, which Webster's defines as freedom from conceit or vanity. Lowliness of mind is to be greatly desired for its blessing.

    Matt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    Humility is very rare on internet forums. Active members are typically easily insulted and infected with vanity; plus imperious, domineering, despotic, assertive, confrontational, arrogant, conceited, reactive, thin-skinned, self-righteous, emotional, critical, and defensive. Those are not what I would call good Christian attributes. They also have a propensity to jump to conclusions, get the wrong impression, and fly off the handle. Those aren't good Christian attributes either; in point of fact; none of those attributes are blessing-worthy.

    "Grace" is one of those ambiguous abstract nouns that nobody seems to agree upon. Noah found grace in God's eyes (Gen 6:8) which in his case, regarded providence; which can be defined as kindly patronage. It was by God's providence that Noah and his family survived the Flood while the sons of God and their harems didn't. Let that sink in. Just because people label themselves a Christian, and profess a belief in Christ, is no guarantee they'll escape the horrors of the book of Revelation. Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generation; too many of today's card-carrying Christians are neither.

    The Greek word for "proud" is huperephanos (hoop-er-ay'-fan-os) which means appearing above others, viz: haughty. Those kinds of people typically regard others with contempt, i.e. undeserving of respect or even so much as common courtesy. Haughty people are typically cruel, thoughtless, insensitive, and badly infected with a superiority complex, which goes hand in hand with arrogance: defined as an exaggerated sense of one's importance, sometimes manifested in an overbearing manner.

    Arrogant people can be intolerably pushy and assertive at times; standing up to them usually always provokes an indignant reaction and a call to arms, so to speak, because these folk regard any and all disagreements with their way of thinking as demeaning attacks upon their core values and their distorted sense of self worth. These people have very little interest in harmony; they're stand-up fighters whose primary interest is winning.

    Seeing as how Heaven is reputed a place of peace, then the arrogant, the haughty, and the proud cannot be allowed to go there with their unholy personalities. For sure they'd just end up making things very uncomfortable for Heaven's normally mild-mannered, affable society
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