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    Let's start with the RCC's sacrament of baptism. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that baptism remits original sin, actual guilt, and all punishment due to sin. The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that baptism confers "justification,"spiritual rebirth" (aka:regeneration), and "sanctification."
    Vatican 'mascot' Karl Keating says,: "The Catholic Church has always taught that justification comes through the sacrament of baptism" and "baptism is the justifying act." Thus Keating says, "the justification that occurs at baptism effects a real change in the soul..."
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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    I wish Karl Keating would quote St Peter and say "Baptism now saves you."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by poster2262 View Post
      I wish Karl Keating would quote St Peter and say "Baptism now saves you."
      Karl Keating will say anything that his "boss," the Roman Catholic Church, will tell him to say at whatever price they want to pay him.
      RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by poster2262 View Post
        I wish Karl Keating would quote St Peter and say "Baptism now saves you."
        Did St. Peter explain in writing, the importance of baptism in the scheme of salvation, by saying that baptism cleanses a person from original sin; and that baptism makes a person a Christian through grace by sharing in Christ's death and resurrection; or that baptism makes a person a child of God as the life of Christ is brought forth within that person? And did St.Peter also declare in writing that baptism constitutes a sacramental bond of unity linking all who have been reborn by means of baptism, which is of itself, only a beginning. And. . . . . . baptism is necessary for salvation? Are these the writings of St. Peter regarding baptism?
        RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

          Karl Keating will say anything that his "boss," the Roman Catholic Church, will tell him to say at whatever price they want to pay him.
          yup, peter is our first earthly boss and his words are not infallible... correct?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

            Did St. Peter explain in writing, the importance of baptism in the scheme of salvation, by saying that baptism cleanses a person from original sin; and that baptism makes a person a Christian through grace by sharing in Christ's death and resurrection; or that baptism makes a person a child of God as the life of Christ is brought forth within that person? And did St.Peter also declare in writing that baptism constitutes a sacramental bond of unity linking all who have been reborn by means of baptism, which is of itself, only a beginning. And. . . . . . baptism is necessary for salvation? Are these the writings of St. Peter regarding baptism?
            No. St Peter said "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children..."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

              Did St. Peter explain in writing, the importance of baptism in the scheme of salvation, by saying that baptism cleanses a person from original sin; and that baptism makes a person a Christian through grace by sharing in Christ's death and resurrection; or that baptism makes a person a child of God as the life of Christ is brought forth within that person? And did St.Peter also declare in writing that baptism constitutes a sacramental bond of unity linking all who have been reborn by means of baptism, which is of itself, only a beginning. And. . . . . . baptism is necessary for salvation? Are these the writings of St. Peter regarding baptism?
              why peter?

              here from Jesus' lips.... Believe me, no man can enter into the kingdom of God unless birth comes to him from water, and from the Holy Spirit.
              Last edited by ramcam2; 11-06-19, 09:56 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                yup, peter is our first earthly boss and his words are not infallible... correct?
                nope - peter may be YOUR first earthly boss, but he's not mine
                RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by poster2262 View Post

                  No. St Peter said "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children..."
                  Baptism is only the beginning of justification because in Roman Catholic teaching subsequent good works increase grace (spiritual power) and help to perfect justification.
                  RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

                      nope - peter may be YOUR first earthly boss, but he's not mine
                      and you believe his words are fallible...correct?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                        Let's start with the RCC's sacrament of baptism. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that baptism remits original sin, actual guilt, and all punishment due to sin. The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that baptism confers "justification,"spiritual rebirth" (aka:regeneration), and "sanctification."
                        Vatican 'mascot' Karl Keating says,: "The Catholic Church has always taught that justification comes through the sacrament of baptism" and "baptism is the justifying act." Thus Keating says, "the justification that occurs at baptism effects a real change in the soul..."
                        At least they are honest when they say 'the catholic church teaches' and not 'the bible teaches'. Because that is an important distinction. Water baptism is the public profession of our new found faith. We follow in the footsteps of Jesus who was baptized, not to remit sin but to declare His life is moving in a new direction. Thats exactly what we proclaim at our baptism. Catholics miss the mark again.
                        Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by poster2262 View Post

                          No. St Peter said "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children..."
                          Was Jesus' baptism for repentance or to remit sin? We can start there.
                          Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

                            Did St. Peter explain in writing, the importance of baptism in the scheme of salvation, by saying that baptism cleanses a person from original sin; and that baptism makes a person a Christian through grace by sharing in Christ's death and resurrection; or that baptism makes a person a child of God as the life of Christ is brought forth within that person? And did St.Peter also declare in writing that baptism constitutes a sacramental bond of unity linking all who have been reborn by means of baptism, which is of itself, only a beginning. And. . . . . . baptism is necessary for salvation? Are these the writings of St. Peter regarding baptism?
                            Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." Mark 16:16

                            Is that hard to accept?

                            Pray!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                              Was Jesus' baptism for repentance or to remit sin? We can start there.
                              Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, is for the remitting of sin:

                              Acts 22:16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away,
                              calling on his name.’

                              But in order to receive that Baptism, one must first, repent.

                              Acts 2:38Peter replied, ôRepent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ
                              for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
                              Pray!

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