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  • Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
    If Christ is the head of 30,000+ Protestant Churches, then Christ's Body is no longer one or there are 30,000+ Christs. Which is it?
    The 'body of Christ' is made up of ALL believers in Jesus Christ. Its not about what church one attends, but what one believes about Jesus Christ and his atoning work on the cross. In every christian denomination there are individuals who realized that they were sinners who could do nothing to save themselves. Church cannot save anyone. It's trusting in Christ and His work that saves.

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    • Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post

      The 'body of Christ' is made up of ALL believers in Jesus Christ. Its not about what church one attends, but what one believes about Jesus Christ and his atoning work on the cross. In every christian denomination there are individuals who realized that they were sinners who could do nothing to save themselves. Church cannot save anyone. It's trusting in Christ and His work that saves.
      So where is the One Body of Christ?

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      • Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post

        You asked what authority the Catholic Church has. What authority does your church have?
        And I asked a question which is to be addressed before you ask one of your own.
        We are either in the process of resisting God's truth or in the process of being shaped and molded by his truth … Charles Stanley

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        • Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
          So where is the One Body of Christ?
          The church is defined as the ekklesia .. the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth; the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven.

          His church is not in one physical place. It's not under one roof. It's not made of stone, wood, brick or stained glass. As Jake said, it's make up of believers, people who have placed their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for their salvation.
          We are either in the process of resisting God's truth or in the process of being shaped and molded by his truth … Charles Stanley

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          • Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post

            Does your Church have any authority? What is your Church good for if it is not Jesus' One Apostolic Body?
            It is good for teaching, preaching, ministering to the body and sharing the gospel to the lost, clothing and feeding the poor, visiting those in prison.

            Now, answer the question.
            Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.

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            • Originally posted by bessyboo View Post
              It is good for teaching, preaching, ministering to the body and sharing the gospel to the lost, clothing and feeding the poor, visiting those in prison.
              Excellent. All works-based, by the way, but that is another topic for another thread.


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              • Originally posted by nan View Post
                And I asked a question which is to be addressed before you ask one of your own.
                The authority of any Church is the authority/traditions that Christ has granted directly to the Apostles who in turn transmitted that authority/traditions directly to the next generation. And that generation in turn transmitted that authority/traditions directly to the next generation and so on until now. Within the traditions is included the Koine Greek Bible.

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                • Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post
                  The 'body of Christ' is made up of ALL believers in Jesus Christ. Its not about what church one attends,
                  So Christ is present in each and every Church whether it is Catholic, Anabaptist, Mormon, or JW? Christ is present whether he is literally or symbolically in the Eucharist or even if the Eucharist is not practiced at all?
                  but what one believes about Jesus Christ and his atoning work on the cross. In every christian denomination there are individuals who realized that they were sinners who could do nothing to save themselves. Church cannot save anyone. It's trusting in Christ and His work that saves.
                  "Trusting in Christ" means you trust in all of Christ which includes His One Body. How can you severe Christ into two parts and say that one part does save and his other part (His Body) does not save? That sounds so nestorian.

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                  • Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                    So Christ is present in each and every Church whether it is Catholic, Anabaptist, Mormon, or JW? Christ is present whether he is literally or symbolically in the Eucharist or even if the Eucharist is not practiced at all?

                    "Trusting in Christ" means you trust in all of Christ which includes His One Body. How can you severe Christ into two parts and say that one part does save and his other part (His Body) does not save? That sounds so schismatic.
                    I wasn't talking about the eucharist. A false religion or cult does not have the presence of Christ. However, the individual Believer has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and is "in Christ."

                    I don't see anything in the Scriptures where the bread is transformed (can be or is supposed to be) and becomes, literally, Christ's flesh.

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                    • Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post
                      I wasn't talking about the eucharist. A false religion or cult does not have the presence of Christ. However, the individual Believer has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and is "in Christ."
                      Being "in Christ" means that Christ is present. Is Christ present in each and every Church whether it is Catholic, Anabaptist, Mormon, or JW?

                      "Trusting in Christ" means you trust in all of Christ which includes His One Body. How can you severe Christ into two parts and say that one part does save and his other part (His Body) does not save?

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                      • Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                        The authority of any Church is the authority/traditions that Christ has granted directly to the Apostles who in turn transmitted that authority/traditions directly to the next generation. And that generation in turn transmitted that authority/traditions directly to the next generation and so on until now. Within the traditions is included the Koine Greek Bible.
                        My question is where does scripture say that God gave any authority to the Catholic Church?

                        We are either in the process of resisting God's truth or in the process of being shaped and molded by his truth … Charles Stanley

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                        • Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                          Being "in Christ" means that Christ is present. Is Christ present in each and every Church whether it is Catholic, Anabaptist, Mormon, or JW?

                          "Trusting in Christ" means you trust in all of Christ which includes His One Body. How can you severe Christ into two parts and say that one part does save and his other part (His Body) does not save?
                          Actually, being "in Christ" only applies to those who are spiritually born again. They are in Christ and Christ is in them. They are the ones who believe in the finished work of Christ at the cross where forgiveness and reconciliation is found. There is no bypassing the cross.

                          As for Mormonism and JWs, they are not Christian faiths.

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                          • Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post
                            Actually, being "in Christ" only applies to those who are spiritually born again. They are in Christ and Christ is in them. They are the ones who believe in the finished work of Christ at the cross where forgiveness and reconciliation is found. There is no bypassing the cross. As for Mormonism and JWs, they are not Christian faiths.
                            How can you tell who is born again and who is not? Remember that water is a vital part of being born again.

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                            • Originally posted by nan View Post
                              My question is where does scripture say that God gave any authority to the Catholic Church?
                              I answered your question for all Churches. That covers the Catholic Church and even covers your Church.

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                              • Originally posted by UnionofGrace&Nature View Post
                                I answered your question for all Churches. That covers the Catholic Church and even covers your Church.
                                Actually you didn't. I asked for scripture. Where did you cite a verse(s) that says God gave any authority to the Catholic Church?
                                We are either in the process of resisting God's truth or in the process of being shaped and molded by his truth … Charles Stanley

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