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Cagots - the Untouchable caste of the RCC

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  • Cagots - the Untouchable caste of the RCC

    Interesting group from history, that was centered in the Catholic heartlands in Spain and France.

    The Magisterium ordered special Cagot entrances built for their churches, special separate Holy H2O fonts for the Cagot people, and the RCC administered communion on the end of a long stick to the Cagot faithful.

    Cagots were restricted by their fellow Catholic neighbors to certain professions and parts of town.

    If you wondered where the Untouchable Caste of India came from, the RCC had a similar ideal.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...pe-878705.html

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    Interesting. I've never heard of these folks. The write-up in Wikipedia states that this discrimination was cultural and not religiously based and that it extended even into Huguenot (French Protestant) areas.
    "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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      I would think the one true church should know better.

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        Originally posted by Southsider View Post
        Interesting group from history, that was centered in the Catholic heartlands in Spain and France.

        The Magisterium ordered special Cagot entrances built for their churches, special separate Holy H2O fonts for the Cagot people, and the RCC administered communion on the end of a long stick to the Cagot faithful.

        Cagots were restricted by their fellow Catholic neighbors to certain professions and parts of town.

        If you wondered where the Untouchable Caste of India came from, the RCC had a similar ideal.

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...pe-878705.html
        The "one true church" nailing a man's hand to their door because he dared use holy water everyone else was using?

        Yup. That sounds devoutly Catholic to me.

        Note that the devout Catholic laity, priests, and bishops strictly enforced their bigotry and hatred....rather than take a stand against it.

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        "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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          Originally posted by Angels_Sing View Post
          I would think the one true church should know better.
          Devout Catholics today would treat anyone today the same....if their priests and bishops told them to do so.

          We know that because that is exactly what they did.

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          "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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            Originally posted by Atemi View Post

            The "one true church" nailing a man's hand to their door because he dared use holy water everyone else was using?

            Yup. That sounds devoutly Catholic to me.

            Note that the devout Catholic laity, priests, and bishops strictly enforced their bigotry and hatred....rather than take a stand against it.

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            What go you mean? They still do it today, just not so obviously done.

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              Originally posted by Angels_Sing View Post
              I would think the one true church should know better.
              I think that all Christians should know better, don't you?
              "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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                Originally posted by Rudder View Post

                I think that all Christians should know better, don't you?
                But yet, catholics call all catholics Christian. Why is that?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DMBD View Post

                  But yet, catholics call all catholics Christian. Why is that?
                  Sorry, but I do not understand your question. Can you clarify?
                  "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rudder View Post

                    Sorry, but I do not understand your question. Can you clarify?
                    Remember, a wet head with no declaration of faith equals Christian. You know catholics do it all the time.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rudder View Post

                      I think that all Christians should know better, don't you?
                      Sure, especially those who claim they have the fullness of faith and are the one true church.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DMBD View Post

                        Remember, a wet head with no declaration of faith equals Christian. You know catholics do it all the time.
                        Remember also that we believe that a baptized Christian, whether baptized as an infant or as an adult after a confession of faith, can end up in hell if they commit mortal sin and do not repent.

                        Getting back to the OP, these Cagot folks apparently were treated poorly by both Catholics and Protestants in France. That sort of behavior, unfortunately, takes place pretty much everywhere. In the US, for example, discrimination against black folks takes place even in churches today. That does not exclude Catholics or Protestants. Personally, I think that it is getting better, but they might have a different perspective.
                        "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Angels_Sing View Post

                          Sure, especially those who claim they have the fullness of faith and are the one true church.
                          Good for you. Glad to see a confirmation that all Christians should know to treat people right. Love your neighbor as yourself.
                          "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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                            Originally posted by Rudder View Post
                            Getting back to the OP, these Cagot folks apparently were treated poorly by both Catholics and Protestants in France. That sort of behavior, unfortunately, takes place pretty much everywhere.
                            I thought you Catholics were taught the unchanged moral teachings of Christ and His Apostles?

                            Looks like Catholics in different eras and places are taught different moral teachings....depending on your biases and popular bigotry.

                            Another case against the lie that your sect is Christ's one, true church.

                            The best argument that you could come up with that everyone does it only goes to show you know what I say is true.

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                            "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rudder View Post

                              Good for you. Glad to see a confirmation that all Christians should know to treat people right. Love your neighbor as yourself.
                              How unfortunate your one true church didn't.

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