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    1. Sabbath as a Memorial
    Genesis 2:1-3
    Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
    By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

    Exodus 20:8-11
    “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
    (Link to Creation Sabbath Documentation).

    One of the reasons Jesus gives for regularly observing His Sabbath is in reference to the singular monumental event in this world's history—its creation. The Sabbath is a weekly reminder that Jesus created this Earth (John 1:3; Colossians 1:15-17). It is a day to rest from our works just as Jesus rested from His (Hebrews 4:7-10). It is to this very fact of being the Creator that Jesus appeals to over and over in the Scriptures as validation for His claim to being the one and only true God (1 Chronicles 16:23-27; 2 Kings 19:15; 2 Chronicles 2:12; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 33:6; 96:5; 102:25-27; 115:15; 121:2; Isaiah 37:16; 40:20; 45:18; Jeremiah 10:12; 27:5; 32:17; 33:2, 3; 51:15; Jonah 1:9; Job 26:7; Acts 4:24; 14:15; 17:24; Revelation 14:7).
    Psalm 111:2-4
    Great are the works of the LORD; they are pondered by all who delight in them. Glorious and majestic are his deeds, and his righteousness endures forever. He has caused his wonders to be remembered; the LORD is gracious and compassionate.
    If Jesus says to "Remember the Sabbath," and this remembering is directly connected to the "wonders" of His creation, why is it that people find this something they wish to forget? If one were to develop a hierarchy of the most important events in human history would not the act of creation rank toward the very top? Aside from the life, death and resurrection of the Creator, what other event do you suppose would be more worthy of remembering? Interestingly, even though Jesus nor His disciples ever hinted at any regularly repeating recognition for His resurrection, there are some who insist that we honor Sunday as a resurrection memorial. So while we have no divine command for a weekly remembering of the resurrection (making it a tradition of men), we likewise have no command overturning the weekly remembering of the creation. About this Jesus asks, "Why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?"

    2. A Day for Our Benefit
    Isaiah 58:13-14
    “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the LORD, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.” The mouth of the LORD has spoken.
    Through His prophet Isaiah, Jesus portrays His holy day as something to delight in. If Jesus says to delight in His Sabbath I'm certain that there must be a blessing to be obtained by observing the day He blessed.
    Mark 2:27
    Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man (444 anthropos; human being), not man for the Sabbath.
    Not only is the Sabbath affirmed as something to "delight" in, but Jesus Himself takes the opportunity to make it clear that when He made the Sabbath on the seventh day of creation it was made for the benefit of all humanity. The word for man in this text is "anthropos" which means people. Thus the Sabbath is for men and women, Jews and Gentiles, slaves and those who are free. All humanity can delight in the benefits of having a day off to remember their Creator and to rest from their own works.

    3. Jesus Kept the Sabbath
    Luke 4:16
    [Jesus] went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
    It was Jesus's regular practice to assemble together with other believers on the Sabbath day. Leviticus 23:3 says that the Sabbath is "a day of sacred assembly." You can certainly worship God on all days of the week, but the Sabbath is the day Jesus set aside for worshipping with other believers in a corporate setting. It is a day set apart—a "holy day"—on which holy people are to rest from their own works and be blessed on the day that Jesus blessed.
    1 Peter 2:21
    To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
    Jesus is our example in all things and following the things He did should not give anyone cause for concern. On the contrary, it is in doing those things which Jesus never did and never told us to do which we should seriously question the safety of such position. Keeping the Sabbath is in keeping with following Jesus's steps.
    1 John 2:6
    Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.
    Again, if we are to "walk as Jesus did" it is a simple thing to ascertain that the example He left was to regularly assemble together with believers on the day He personally blessed and continues to make holy.

    4. Disciples Kept the Sabbath After the Cross
    Luke 23:56
    Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
    Because Jesus never intended to put an end to the regular seven day cycle He set in motion for humanity's (anthropos) benefit and "delight," Jesus never informed them that it was no longer necessary to observe the Sabbath after His death. This is confirmed by the fact that His closest followers—those who went out of their way to see to His burial preparations—still "rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment." If Jesus did not intend for the Sabbath to be included in His new covenant then He needed to add this to His will before He died. After the death of the Testator nothing can be added or subtracted from that person's will (see Hebrews 9:16-17).

    5. Paul Kept the Sabbath
    Acts 17:2, 3
    As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ,” he said.
    After his conversion (recorded in Acts 9) Paul continues his "custom" of going to synagogue on the Sabbath. Not only was this his regular habit but the Bible also records that Paul preached to both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath for a year and a half!
    Acts 18:4, 11
    Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
    So, "Every Sabbath" for a "year and a half" Paul reasons in the synagogue with both Jews and Greeks (i.e. Gentiles). That's a biblical record of 76 Sabbaths in which Paul is preaching to Jews and Gentiles.
    1 Corinthians 11:1
    Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
    As we would expect from an apostle of Christ, Paul acknowledges that he follows "the example of Christ." Paul's actions testify to the fact that "his custom" of Sabbath observance was the same as the custom of Jesus. Paul then goes on to assert that you should not only follow Christ's example but you should also follow his own example. Are you following the examples left for you by both Jesus and Paul?

    6. Gentiles Kept the Sabbath
    Acts 13:42-45
    So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

    On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.
    Some people suggest that Paul was evangelizing to Jews on the Sabbath and what better way to do that then to meet them on the day they all were gathering together? But in this text we see that after witnessing to the Jews in the synagogue that Gentiles begged Paul to preach these words "to them the next Sabbath." So if the Sabbath had ceased as a requirement and blessing of God, if it was not part of the New Covenant, if it was only for the Jew, then Paul need not wait an entire week to minister to the needs of these pleading Gentiles. Why wait seven days when tomorrow would work just fine? After all, as some people believe, the first day of the week is supposedly "the Lord's day"—a day to be honored in remembrance of Jesus's resurrection—so why not preach to them on this newly preferred day? Paul does not take this golden opportunity to inform these Gentiles that the Sabbath is passé and that it is no longer necessary to remember Jesus as the Creator. Instead, as someone who unashamedly "follow[s] the example of Christ," he honors their Sabbath-keeping request.

    7. The Sabbath 40 Years After the Cross
    Matthew 24:20
    Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
    Jesus is speaking in reference to the future destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. (40 years after His death). If we consider this admonition from the aspect of keeping the Sabbath holy by not working on it, then the prayer to not have to flee on the Sabbath is easily understandable. Additionally, this text also affirms the continuity of the Sabbath 40 years into the New Covenant.

    8. Venerated Title Remains
    Matthew 28:1
    After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

    Mark 16:1
    When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.

    Luke 23:54
    It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

    John 19:31
    Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
    Each of the four Gospels were written years after the cross. One would expect that if the Sabbath was no longer relevant to New Covenant Christianity that the Gospel authors would've conveyed such in their writings. But Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all maintain uninterrupted use of the venerated title of Sabbath in their Gospels. None of them ever refer to it as the "Sabbath of the Jews," which of course makes perfect sense in keeping with point #2 above (i.e. the Sabbath was made for humanity's benefit). Luke points out certain things as being exclusively Jewish ("country of the Jews," "synagogue of the Jews") but in neither his Gospel nor his book of Acts does he do so to the Sabbath. Since Jesus said the Sabbath was made for people—regardless of race or gender—then the fact that these authors do not attempt to tie it strictly to the Jews is perfectly logical and consistent. This is especially meaningful when one considers their use of this title after the cross. Since they are writing years afterward there should be no reason why they should not know that the Sabbath has been discontinued. All four authors continue to address the seventh day of the week using it's venerated title and all of the remaining days of the week maintain their generic numeral designation.

    9. The Sabbath in the New Earth
    Isaiah 66:22-23
    As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the LORD, “so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the LORD.
    When Jesus first created this world we find that He set in motion His weekly memorial to His creative act by establishing His Sabbath (Genesis 2:1-3). In the "restoration of all things" the Lord will create a "new heavens and a new earth." Will the need to remember Jesus as Creator be any less meaningful or necessary once we are redeemed? Will the Sabbath be any less of a blessing or a "delight"? Since the Sabbath was "made for man" before man became a sinner it is apparent that its value was not based in relation to our sinful condition. Isaiah tells us that in the new earth all humanity will bow down before God "from one Sabbath to another." Jesus is going to hit the divine reset button for this Earth. It is going to be baptized by fire. After burning off all the sin and those who stubbornly held on to it, this Earth will be restored to how it was "in the beginning" and it will be our home as it was originally intended. Since the Sabbath comes to us from the seventh day of the beginning, we see that this special day has been a blessing to humanity from our creation to our ultimate salvation and will continue on throughout eternity.

    10. The Sabbath in Languages of the World.
    Did you know that there are flood traditions around the world? From Africa to Asia and Australia, from Europe to North and South Americas, the story of a world wide flood is a part of the tradition of the peoples in these areas. This is as one would expect for such a universally destructive event.

    But did you also know that the word "Sabbath" can be found in various languages all around the world? This too is what one would expect if the Sabbath was instituted on the seventh day of creation. Just like Noah and the other seven survivors were witnesses to the flood, Adam and Eve would've been witnesses of the first Sabbath and Adam was around for 930 years to share his eye witness account to his progeny.

    Here are a few languages that use the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week:
    Greek: Sabbaton (Sabbath)
    Latin: Sabbatum (Sabbath)
    Spanish: Sábado (Sabbath)
    Portuguese: Sabbado (Sabbath)
    Italian: Sabbato (Sabbath)
    French: Samedi (Sabbath day)
    High German: Samstag (Sabbath)
    Prussian: Sabatico (Sabbath)
    Russian: Subbota (Sabbath)
    Congo Africa: Sabbado or Kiansbula (Sabbath)
    These are a few examples from our modern languages which still identify the seventh day as the Sabbath. There are a number of ancient languages which also do the same thing. The Babylonian language—dating back to 3800 BC (or shortly after the flood)—identifies the seventh day as "Sa-ba-tu" or Sabbath. Exactly what one would expect to find embedded in this Earth's recorded history.

    I pray this helps.
    But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

  • #2
    Col 2:16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

    Jesus is the Christians rest. We celebrate Him
    Blessed are the cracked, for they are the ones who let in the light.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ontheBeam View Post
      Col 2:16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.
      Is that NIV? There is no "for not celebrating" in the Greek as more literal translations will let you know. Neither is there an "only" before shadow (not plural in the Greek) and "of the reality" is not connected to the phrase. It says literally: "But [the] body of Christ."

      Colo 2:16 (RSV) Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath.

      Colo 2:17 (KJS) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

      As per Paul, we sabbatarians should not let you pass judgment on us with regard to festival or new moon or sabbath.

      Jesus is the Christians' rest. We celebrate Him
      And what verse do you have for that?
      "I want the truth!"
      "You can't handle the truth!"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Icyspark View Post

        Here are a few languages that use the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week:
        Greek: Sabbaton (Sabbath)
        Latin: Sabbatum (Sabbath)
        Spanish: Sábado (Sabbath)
        Portuguese: Sabbado (Sabbath)
        Italian: Sabbato (Sabbath)
        French: Samedi (Sabbath day)
        High German: Samstag (Sabbath)
        Prussian: Sabatico (Sabbath)
        Russian: Subbota (Sabbath)
        Congo Africa: Sabbado or Kiansbula (Sabbath)
        These are a few examples from our modern languages which still identify the seventh day as the Sabbath. There are a number of ancient languages which also do the same thing. The Babylonian language—dating back to 3800 BC (or shortly after the flood)—identifies the seventh day as "Sa-ba-tu" or Sabbath. Exactly what one would expect to find embedded in this Earth's recorded history.
        Someone is not telling the truth-
        Sabatu is a Babylonian month - not a Babylonian day of the week



        "Further, reconstruction of a broken tablet seems to define the rarely attested Sapattum or Sabattum as the 15th day of the lunation, more or less the full moon. This word is cognate with Hebrew Shabbat, but is monthly rather than weekly; it is regarded as a form of Sumerian sa-bat ("mid-rest"), attested in Akkadian as um nuh libbi ("day of mid-repose"). This conclusion is a contextual restoration of the damaged Enûma Eliš creation account, which reads: "[Sa]bbath shalt thou then encounter, mid[month]ly."[1]
        Last edited by New WineSkin; 08-18-12, 10:18 AM.
        "The Law can only chase a man to Calvary, no further."[INDENT=3]D. L. Moody[/INDENT]

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        • #5
          It's a pity then that you opted to keep a Roman devised Saturday instead.
          - Jesus said, "In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." John 16:33 -

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          • #6
            Shadows Point Forward

            Originally posted by ontheBeam View Post
            Col 2:16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. [Shadows point forward, memorials point backward (see point #1 of opening post]

            Jesus is the Christians rest. We celebrate Him

            Hi ontheBeam,

            The Sabbath provides a physical rest for humanity and their domesticated working animals. "Jesus is the Christians rest" doesn't account for this physical need. Just like many other things former Adventists advocate, this too is founded on a vague and unsustainable premise. Jesus never says that the Sabbath is being replaced (see point #4 above) by a nebulous spiritual resting in Him.

            The corollary to the Matthew 11 postulation of "resting in Jesus" can be found in John 4 and could be termed, "Drinking in Jesus."
            John 4:10-15
            Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

            “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his flocks and herds?”

            Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

            The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
            So, using former Adventist methodology, since Jesus says that all you have to do is ask Him that you will be given "living water" and you "will never thirst," do you still require physical water? Have you any further need of physical water now that you've accepted Jesus as your Savior?

            The Sabbath is not merely a spiritual rest, but provides a needed weekly physical rest. So "resting in Jesus" in the sense formers would spin the text does not supply the physical rest. Perhaps this weekly time of ceasing from our work is part of the reason Jesus says we are to call the day He "made for man" a "delight."

            I pray this helps.
            But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TheWholeGospel View Post
              Is that NIV? There is no "for not celebrating" in the Greek as more literal translations will let you know. Neither is there an "only" before shadow (not plural in the Greek) and "of the reality" is not connected to the phrase. It says literally: "But [the] body of Christ."



              Colo 2:16 (RSV) Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath.

              Colo 2:17 (KJS) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

              As per Paul, we sabbatarians should not let you pass judgment on us with regard to festival or new moon or sabbath.

              And what verse do you have for that?
              Twistmeister at his best. The verse explains itself. The ceremonial days have become shadows, we don't worship shadows do we? Don't judge us for not celebrating shadows. Shadow celebrating is a waste of time. Christians celebrate Jesus who is our Rest. Matthew 11:28
              Then Jesus said, “Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. We have Jesus as our Rest and you, on the other hand, have the shadow. Choose this day who you will serve.
              Blessed are the cracked, for they are the ones who let in the light.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Icyspark View Post
                Shadows Point Forward
                Where do you find that in Scripture?

                Actually, shadows point to the sun (Son).
                Last edited by DrPatti; 08-18-12, 07:17 PM.
                But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 2 Corinthians 12:9

                Let God be true, and every man a liar." Rom 3:4

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Icyspark View Post
                  Hi ontheBeam,

                  The Sabbath provides a physical rest for humanity and their domesticated working animals. "Jesus is the Christians rest" doesn't account for this physical need.
                  If it were just a physical need, then any day would suffice.
                  SDA defenders mock Christians and focus on the physical because they cannot think Spiritually.

                  I am simply amazed at how SDAs can simply pass over Scripture, including Jesus' own words:

                  Psalm 62:1 For the director of music. For Jeduthun. A psalm of David. My soul finds rest in God alone; my salvation comes from him.

                  Psalm 62:5 Find rest, O my soul, in God alone; my hope comes from him.

                  Jeremiah 6:16 This is what the LORD says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’

                  Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and[SIZE=5] I will GIVE you rest.[/SIZE] 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
                  30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
                  Just like many other things former Adventists advocate,
                  Which are a part of the physical realm.
                  Christians live in the Spiritual realm.
                  They live by faith, not by sight.
                  They trust in things unseen.

                  this too is founded on a vague and unsustainable premise. Jesus never says that the Sabbath is being replaced (see point #4 above) by a nebulous spiritual resting in Him.
                  I really couldn't add anything to this.
                  Your words indict you more than I ever could.

                  Our Spiritual Rest in Christ is what we should seek with all our hearts.
                  It is "nebulous" only to those who have not attained it yet.

                  Heb 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

                  “So I declared on oath in my anger,
                  ‘They shall never enter my rest.’”[b]

                  And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

                  6 It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. 7 Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:

                  “Today, if you hear his voice,
                  do not harden your hearts
                  .”

                  8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.


                  [/QUOTE]
                  But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 2 Corinthians 12:9

                  Let God be true, and every man a liar." Rom 3:4

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Icyspark;3269611[quote
                    The corollary to the Matthew 11 postulation of "resting in Jesus" can be found in John 4 and could be termed, "Drinking in Jesus."
                    And you accuse Christians of using nebulous arguments!
                    You speak of "corollaries" and "postulations" and completely ignore His Words. Here they are once again:
                    Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will GIVE you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
                    30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
                    John 4:10-15
                    Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

                    “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his flocks and herds?”

                    Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

                    The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
                    So, using former Adventist methodology, since Jesus says that all you have to do is ask Him that you will be given "living water" and you "will never thirst," do you still require physical water?
                    You have given a great example of the inability of SDA defenders to think Spiritually.
                    And how they will intentionally muck up great Spiritual truths in order to defend their unSpiritual outlooks.
                    You would actually try and create doubt in Christ's words to defend your own Spiritually bereft position.

                    Have you any further need of physical water now that you've accepted Jesus as your Savior?

                    The Sabbath is not merely a spiritual rest,
                    Actually it is not a Spiritual rest at all. And you will not find in Scripture that it is.
                    [SIZE=5]There is only one Spiritual Rest, only one Rest to which the Spirit guides us, and that is resting in faith in the saving work of our Lord Jesus Christ. [/SIZE]Since your religious is Christ-deficient, you constantly denigrate Him try to replace Him with something that you do. Like the COI at the foot of Mt. Sinai, because God is invisible to them, SDAs have created a god out of their prophetess, and constantly build altars to to her unScriptural and unSpiritual theories.

                    but provides a needed weekly physical rest.
                    "Needed physical rest"?
                    Please show us from Scripture this "needed physical rest" and how it is so important that it is the foundation of your religion?

                    So "resting in Jesus" in the sense formers would spin the text does not supply the physical rest.
                    If this were true then SDAs are likewise missing the "physical rest."
                    The sabbath was the most grueling day of the week for us.
                    First of all you exhaust yourself on Friday evening getting "ready" for the sabbath.

                    (Isn't it amazing how SDAism teaches that one must "get ready" to rest?
                    Much like they think they have to "get ready" for Christ to save them!)


                    Then you spend all Friday night preparing the sermon, the SS lesson, practicing for the music presentations, preparing for potluck, etc. etc.

                    Then there is no "sleeping in" (AKA "rest") because you have to be early to prepare Communion, for a baptism, etc. etc.
                    Then you sit and argue over the meaning of Scripture and look to Ellen White for answers for an hour before church. Or after church, depending upon whether or not you have an itinerate pastor. If you are an intinerate pastor, you have to get up early so that you can hit 2 or 3 churches that day.

                    Then you prepare and clean up from the potluck.

                    Then your family wants to take a "nature walk." (How SDAs figure that is kosher on the sabbath is beyond me.)
                    By Saturday night you are completely exhausted, and looking forward to your only true day of rest and relaxation of the week which is, most ironically, SUNDAY.

                    Perhaps this weekly time of ceasing from our work is part of the reason Jesus says we are to call the day He "made for man" a "delight."
                    SDAism has robbed the sabbath of the "delight" part and made it stressful and taxing.
                    Not only that, they have forgotten the "holy" part of "keeping" the sabbath, replacing it with rituals and ideas of their own devising so that they can brag about "keeping" the sabbath and being the only church to "keep" all of the commandments.
                    Last edited by DrPatti; 08-18-12, 08:00 PM.
                    But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 2 Corinthians 12:9

                    Let God be true, and every man a liar." Rom 3:4

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DrPatti View Post
                      If it were just a physical need, then any day would suffice.
                      SDA defenders mock Christians and focus on the physical because they cannot think Spiritually.

                      I am simply amazed at how SDAs can simply pass over Scripture, including Jesus' own words:

                      Psalm 62:1 For the director of music. For Jeduthun. A psalm of David. My soul finds rest in God alone; my salvation comes from him.

                      Psalm 62:5 Find rest, O my soul, in God alone; my hope comes from him.

                      Jeremiah 6:16 This is what the LORD says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’

                      Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and[SIZE=5] I will GIVE you rest.[/SIZE] 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
                      30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”


                      Which are a part of the physical realm.
                      Christians live in the Spiritual realm.
                      They live by faith, not by sight.
                      They trust in things unseen.



                      I really couldn't add anything to this.
                      Your words indict you more than I ever could.

                      Our Spiritual Rest in Christ is what we should seek with all our hearts.
                      It is "nebulous" only to those who have not attained it yet.

                      Heb 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

                      “So I declared on oath in my anger,
                      ‘They shall never enter my rest.’”[b]

                      And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

                      6 It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. 7 Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:

                      “Today, if you hear his voice,
                      do not harden your hearts
                      .”

                      8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

                      [/QUOTE]


                      Is it thinking Spiritually...or Selfishly?
                      *Ben Carson—Working for you 24/6!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Icyspark View Post
                        6. Gentiles Kept the Sabbath
                        Acts 13:42-45
                        So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

                        On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.
                        Some people suggest that Paul was evangelizing to Jews on the Sabbath and what better way to do that then to meet them on the day they all were gathering together? But in this text we see that after witnessing to the Jews in the synagogue that Gentiles begged Paul to preach these words "to them the next Sabbath." So if the Sabbath had ceased as a requirement and blessing of God, if it was not part of the New Covenant, if it was only for the Jew, then Paul need not wait an entire week to minister to the needs of these pleading Gentiles. Why wait seven days when tomorrow would work just fine? After all, as some people believe, the first day of the week is supposedly "the Lord's day"—a day to be honored in remembrance of Jesus's resurrection—so why not preach to them on this newly preferred day? Paul does not take this golden opportunity to inform these Gentiles that the Sabbath is passé and that it is no longer necessary to remember Jesus as the Creator. Instead, as someone who unashamedly "follow[s] the example of Christ," he honors their Sabbath-keeping request.
                        IcySpark,
                        Please list each and every "God Commandment" under the Old Covenant SchoolMaster Law that Gentiles actually "kept" regarding a seventh day shabbath(n.):
                        A)
                        B)
                        C)

                        Etc.

                        There was no sabbaton (n.) "keeping or doing" by Gentiles -
                        Gentiles were there on sabbaton(n.) to hear St. Paul Preach Jesus Christ.
                        The documents to support the Preaching of Jesus Christ was available to Gentiles on sabbaton(n.) [Acts 15:21].
                        "The Law can only chase a man to Calvary, no further."[INDENT=3]D. L. Moody[/INDENT]

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Icyspark View Post
                          3. Jesus Kept the Sabbath
                          Luke 4:16
                          [Jesus] went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
                          It was Jesus's regular practice to assemble together with other believers on the Sabbath day. Leviticus 23:3 says that the Sabbath is "a day of sacred assembly." You can certainly worship God on all days of the week, but the Sabbath is the day Jesus set aside for worshipping with other believers in a corporate setting. It is a day set apart—a "holy day"—on which holy people are to rest from their own works and be blessed on the day that Jesus blessed.
                          1 Peter 2:21
                          To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
                          Jesus is our example in all things and following the things He did should not give anyone cause for concern. On the contrary, it is in doing those things which Jesus never did and never told us to do which we should seriously question the safety of such position. Keeping the Sabbath is in keeping with following Jesus's steps.
                          1 John 2:6
                          Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.
                          Again, if we are to "walk as Jesus did" it is a simple thing to ascertain that the example He left was to regularly assemble together with believers on the day He personally blessed and continues to make holy.

                          Jhn 5:16
                          And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

                          Jhn 5:17
                          But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

                          Jhn 5:18
                          Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
                          "The Law can only chase a man to Calvary, no further."[INDENT=3]D. L. Moody[/INDENT]

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                          • #14
                            Moses represents slavery, works, righteousness by doing, the law is NOT of faith, to return to law
                            means you have fallen from grace, those who serve at the table of Moses have no right to eat with Christ.

                            As for language a common root word from the middle east spreads around to the surrounding countries
                            and you think that justifys direct disobedience to the command to not preach Moses.

                            All this made up contrivances and I bet you could not put two sentances togeather as to why you know
                            Jesus Christ is God, always God, and never not God, SDA's experts in one law and ignorant to the ways of salvation.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Icyspark View Post
                              5. Paul Kept the Sabbath
                              Acts 17:2, 3
                              As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ,” he said.
                              After his conversion (recorded in Acts 9) Paul continues his "custom" of going to synagogue on the Sabbath. Not only was this his regular habit but the Bible also records that Paul preached to both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath for a year and a half!
                              Acts 18:4, 11
                              Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

                              So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
                              So, "Every Sabbath" for a "year and a half" Paul reasons in the synagogue with both Jews and Greeks (i.e. Gentiles). That's a biblical record of 76 Sabbaths in which Paul is preaching to Jews and Gentiles.
                              1 Corinthians 11:1
                              Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
                              As we would expect from an apostle of Christ, Paul acknowledges that he follows "the example of Christ." Paul's actions testify to the fact that "his custom" of Sabbath observance was the same as the custom of Jesus. Paul then goes on to assert that you should not only follow Christ's example but you should also follow his own example. Are you following the examples left for you by both Jesus and Paul?
                              IcySpark,
                              I challenge you to list each and every seventh day shabbath(n.) "God Commandment" under the Old Covenant SchoolMaster Law that St. Paul was busy "Keeping and Doing" while he simultaneously Preached Jesus Christ to the Gentiles using the available documentation of proof which were only made available on sabbaton(n.) [Acts 15:21].
                              "The Law can only chase a man to Calvary, no further."[INDENT=3]D. L. Moody[/INDENT]

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