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  • #16
    This might help you to understand how "the guy with the inkhorn" can be in heaven and mark the people on earth
    Thanks for that Peter, but it still remains a mystery. As Hollywood said above, the Bible account says "MAN" with the inkhorn. So who then IS this man if he is NOT a man? Simply drafting a passage out of scripture, and a lengthy one at that, without comment contributes to more confusion rather than enlightenment.

    This account that Ezekiel had was a vision whose very vividness represented a prediction of what was to befall Jerusalem in the 586/587 siege and destruction of the city that Matthew was moved to call "The Holy City" [Matt 4:5]. Were there really 6 men + 1 with an inkhorn who went through Jerusalem marking people and slaughtering the ones not so marked? Since Ezekiel cries out in alarm that he was alone among those being slaughtered, and in the absence of any mention of anyone being marked, it becomes obvious that at that time Jerusalem was found to be totally degenerate [Ez. 9:8]

    So we can be certain that what Ezekiel saw was a vision of the coming literal destruction of the city. This vision was to drive home the fact regarding the theological truth that the God of the OT Jews, Yahweh, hated idolatry, especially among his covenant people.

    Whatever it was that Ezekiel saw, was recorded for us to read, ponder, and heed.We stand before these exalted words with the Holy Spirit as our guide and interpreter, and thus each one of us carries the solemn responsibility of understanding what has been written in the light that we have received. If we abdicate our personal responsibility and relinquish this work of the Holy Spirit to others, then we endanger our relationship to Him who guides us.

    So. Who were these seven men? Were they meant to represent anyone? Angelic beings? The Babylonians, perhaps, since they did the actual slaughtering?

    I don't know. All I can say is that it was a real experience that Ezekiel had and saw, and whatever meaning it had was imparted to him and him alone.

    But far more importantly: Does this vision have any further eschatological fulfillment at some later period, beyond that of Ezekiel himself? Like at the Second Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, or at the future Great Tribulation? Almost certainly NOT.

    The NT makes no mention of this vision, and among the many Titles accorded the Lord, such as Good Shepherd, The Word, The Firstborn, and so on, "The man with the inkhorn" is not one of them. Thus, to insist that there IS a future fulfillment where there is no biblical justification for doing so, becomes a matter of personal opinion which is best kept to oneself.

    In truth then, I believe that the writers of Wt literature and the GB who direct them, have exceeded their authority in shoehorning what is a personal view of an incident in the Bible into the psyches of their followers, and making it a compulsory requirement for further membership.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by moggy View Post

      In truth then, I believe that the writers of Wt literature and the GB who direct them, have exceeded their authority in shoehorning what is a personal view of an incident in the Bible into the psyches of their followers, and making it a compulsory requirement for further membership.
      Agreed, Moggy.

      And, Peter, why would Jesus approve the interpretation Russell and Rutherford gave----as Russell being the man with the inkhorn and his anointed followers being the six men?

      The Finished Mystery, WTS 1917: http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/fin...tery/fme9.html
      Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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      • #18
        Exactly. Remember that back in 1919 when Jehovah and Jesus examined and then approved of the Watchtower organization, Jesus who knew that he was this man with the inkhorn, sanctioned the erroneous view that the Watchtower had at that time that Russell was the guy.

        If Jesus allowed the Watchtower to get away with false teachings, then on what basis did he disapprove of other religions that He supposedly rejected?
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        It was only in 1931, as you showed from the quotation from the Vindication book, that they changed their view. But they still did not get it right. It was only in 2016, 97 years after their approval on examination, that they got it right. And the rank and file are supposed to believe this? Even among the most credulous, incredulity must have its limits.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by moggy View Post
          Exactly. Remember that back in 1919 when Jehovah and Jesus examined and then approved of the Watchtower organization, Jesus who knew that he was this man with the inkhorn, sanctioned the erroneous view that the Watchtower had at that time that Russell was the guy.

          If Jesus allowed the Watchtower to get away with false teachings, then on what basis did he disapprove of other religions that He supposedly rejected?
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          It was only in 1931, as you showed from the quotation from the Vindication book, that they changed their view. But they still did not get it right. It was only in 2016, 97 years after their approval on examination, that they got it right. And the rank and file are supposed to believe this? Even among the most credulous, incredulity must have its limits.
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          Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by HollyWood View Post

            Agreed, Moggy.

            And, Peter, why would Jesus approve the interpretation Russell and Rutherford gave----as Russell being the man with the inkhorn and his anointed followers being the six men?

            The Finished Mystery, WTS 1917: http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/fin...tery/fme9.html
            Still no answer from Peter.
            Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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            • #21
              Let's look at how the WTS has gone back and forth on who the man with the inkhorn is

              First it's one man, their founder, C.T. Russell:

              1917 [The Finished Mystery, p.418] 9:4. And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. — ….Hither and thither, traveling and preaching for nearly forty years Pastor Russell obeyed this command; and through the printed page of books, tracts and newspapers he went into every corner of the world. "Set a mark", literally "set a 'tav' upon the foreheads." The "Tav" was the twenty-second letter of the Hebrew alphabet, and in its earlier form had the shape of a cross (+)." The forehead signifies the intellect (Rev. 7:3; 14:1). Pastor Russell's great work was to imprint indelibly in the minds of certain ones the truth about the Cross, the sacrifice of the Christ, Head and Body, and the part of the Church therein.

              Rutherford agreed with that "present truth":

              1920 [WT April 1, 1920, p.102]: Practically all in present truth, if not all, we believe, concur in the thought that the "man . . . clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side" (Ezekiel 9: 2) foreshadowed Brother Russell; that Brother Russell had a commission from the Lord to do certain work; and that he finished that work and reported the same. (Ezekiel 9: 11)

              Then Rutherford disagreed rather strenuously with that "present truth":

              1931 [Vindication Book #1, 1931, Chapter 9 p.100] There is not one scripture to support the conclusion that the man with the writer's inkhorn by his side and clothed with linen pictures an individual. There are numerous scriptures proving that this one man pictures all the anointed ones on earth, and which constitute the "servant" class, the remnant of the Lord.

              The WTS' "Faithful Slave" evidently had "all the facts" and continued Rutherford's teaching, claiming it was Jehovah himself who "had definitely revealed" it to them:

              1952 [w52 11/15 p. 678]In times past it was thought that the man in linen with the writer’s inkhorn by his side pictured a certain individual in modern times. However, that does not appear to be reasonable …. Such would be attaching too much importance to a man and would savor of creature worship. Rather, all the facts indicate that this man in linen with a writer’s inkhorn by his side pictures or represents the body of faithful anointed Christians working as a unit for the accomplishment of Jehovah’s purposes in the earth, and who are working together under divine direction as the “faithful and discreet slave”.

              1971 [“Know Jehovah”, 1971, p.172-173, 26] Thus these dedicated, anointed followers of Jesus recognized themselves as the Christian witnesses of Jehovah, whereas the prophet Ezekiel was a pre-Christian witness of Jehovah. They were very grateful that their God, Jehovah, had definitely revealed to them the work for them to do as indicated in the vision to Ezekiel concerning the man “clothed with linen, with a secretary’s inkhorn at his hips.” ….. It was as if Jehovah, from atop his chariot-like heavenly organization were saying thenceforth to this modern-day ‘man with the inkhorn’ the words of command: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem [as typical of Christendom], and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.”—Ezekiel 9:4

              Even more sure the next year and for the next decade, the 'faithful slave' draws on "historic facts" and work that "proves" "unmistakably" that they are the man with the inkhorn:

              1972 [w72 1/15 p.47-48, par.25-26] Who, then, has been doing the work of the modern-day composite man “clothed with linen”? The historic facts as published throughout the earth are at hand to identify who that composite “man” is……Not just the name [Jehovah’s Witnesses], but the work carried out by them since then proves that this anointed remnant of Christian witnesses of the Most High God are unmistakably the twentieth-century fulfillment of the man “clothed with linen, with a secretary’s inkhorn.”

              1984 [1984 “Survival”p.96] The facts show that "the faithful and discreet slave" class is doing that marking work today. Matthew 24:45-47.

              Then last year the recently identified "faithful slave" disputes Rutherford's teaching that a prior "faithful slave" had said came "definitely" from Jehovah. Despite the "historic facts", "all the facts", the 'unmistakable proofs', and despite their former president's warning about creature worship, they go back to Russell's idea that the man with the inkhorn is indeed a single individual, and that single individual is Jesus:

              2016 [w16 June, QFR, p.16-17] In the past, we have explained that in the modern-day fulfillment of this vision, the man with the secretary’s inkhorn represented the anointed remnant. … In the modern-day fulfillment, the man with the secretary’s inkhorn represents Jesus Christ, the one behind the scenes who marks those who will survive.
              Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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              • #22
                Bringing back
                Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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                • #23
                  Their 2018 book explains why JWs should now change what they believe the Bible really teaches, at least one explanation even being that what they were told to believe before by their JW leaders had no basis in scripture. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/b...larifications/

                  JW, how do you feel about that?

                  Also, the Insight books have been updated as of November 2018 and are available online. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/b...he-Scriptures/



                  Holly
                  Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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