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WT Org: "once saved, never saved"

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  • HollyWood
    started a topic WT Org: "once saved, never saved"

    WT Org: "once saved, never saved"

    JWs do not believe "once saved, always saved". They are taught to believe "once saved, never saved".

    When they come to your door with their latest publications and offer to study them with you, you might ask them this question: After the final test at the end of the Millennium, will it be possible for humans to sin and die?

    I'm sure they'll try to avoid giving you a truthful answer, because that answer is Yes. Unlikely, but Yes.

    They may not even know this themselves; I didn't when I was a JW. But, yes, JWs teach they are never saved. They keep living for only so long as they merit it on their own righteousness, forever one sin away from annihilation in the lake of fire....forever, into eternity.

    Here's the reference from the WTS website's online library:

    Questions From Readers

    After the final test at the end of the Millennium, will it be possible for humans to sin and die?

    Two scriptures found in Revelation bear on this: “Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:14) “He will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”—Revelation 21:4.
    Note the timing involved here. The hurling of “death and Hades” into the lake of fire takes place after the Armageddon survivors, the resurrected dead, and any born after Armageddon have been judged out of the “things written in the scrolls,” or Jehovah’s detailed requirements for mankind during the thousand years. (Revelation 20:12, 13) The apostle John records another vision, found in Revelation chapter 21, which will be fulfilled during the Millennial Reign of Christ Jesus. The complete fulfillment of that vision, however, awaits the end of the thousand-year Judgment Day. Jehovah will then reside with mankind in the fullest sense without any intercessors, Jesus having handed the Kingdom over to his Father. Jehovah will reside spiritually with “his peoples” in a permanent and direct way. “Death will be no more” in the complete sense when mankind will have gained perfection as a result of having the merit of Christ’s ransom sacrifice applied to the full.—Revelation 21:3, 4.

    Thus, the death mentioned in the scriptures quoted above is the Adamic death, which will be nullified by Christ’s ransom. (Romans 5:12-21) With death that mankind inherited from the first man canceled, humans will be just like Adam when he was created. Adam was perfect, but that did not mean that there was no possibility of his dying. Jehovah told Adam not to eat from “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad” and said: “In the day you eat from it you will positively die.” (Genesis 2:17) That was death from deliberate sin. After the final test at the end of the Thousand Year Reign, humans will still be free moral agents. (Revelation 20:7-10) They will still be able to choose of their own free will whether to continue serving Jehovah or not. It cannot be said that no human will ever turn his back on God, as Adam did.

    What would happen to the one who chose to rebel after the final test when there is no death or Hades? At that time, Adamic death is no more. And Hades, the common grave of mankind with the hope of resurrection, is no more. Still, Jehovah can annihilate any rebel in the lake of fire, denying him any hope of a resurrection. That death would be like the death that Adam and Eve experienced, not the death that humans inherited from Adam.

    However, we have no reason to expect any such outcome. Those who pass the final test will differ from Adam in one crucial sense. They will have been fully tested. We can be confident of the thoroughness of the final test because Jehovah knows how to examine people inside and out. We can rest assured that the final test will eliminate any who would misuse their freedom of choice. Thus, although it is possible for those who pass the final test to rebel against God and hence be destroyed, it is very unlikely that such a thing will occur.
    This is assuming you are not asking a JW who claims to be of the anointed class of JWs (the 144,000) who are the only ones the WTS teaches are saved forever by their faith in Jesus. I'm not sure this elderly class of JWs actually go door to door any more, but chances are pretty good you won't be talking to one of them.

  • HollyWood
    As you can see from the WT article I posted in the OP, other than the 144K, JWs are never granted everlasting life. In reality it is continuing life. Continuing until they sin and are annihilated in the lake of fire.

    You might want to ask a JW why his or her faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice doesn't give Jehovah confidence to grant them immortality as it does with the 144K.

    [Insight Vol 1, Holiness, p.1130] They become Jehovah’s anointed ones, the spiritual brothers of Jesus Christ, and are called “holy ones” or “saints.” They receive holiness by faith in the ransom sacrifice of Christ. Holiness, then, does not inhere in them, or belong to them, through their own merit, but it comes to them through Jesus Christ.
    [it-1 Immortality p.1189-1190] So the grant of “indestructible life” or “indissoluble life” to those Christians who gain the privilege of reigning with God’s Son in the heavenly Kingdom marvelously demonstrates God’s confidence in them.
    Kingdom Heirs Granted Immortality.
    For the anointed Christians called to reign with Christ in the heavens, the promise is that they share with Christ in the likeness of his resurrection. Thus, as in the case of their Lord and Head, the anointed members of the Christian congregation who die faithful receive a resurrection to immortal spirit life, so that “this which is mortal puts on immortality.” As with Jesus, immortality in their case does not mean simply everlasting life, or mere freedom from death. That they, too, are granted “the power of an indestructible life” as fellow heirs with Christ is seen from the apostle Paul’s association of incorruptibility with the immortality they attain. Over them “the second death has no authority.”

    This grant of immortality to the Kingdom heirs is all the more remarkable, in view of the fact that even God’s angels are shown to be mortal, despite their possessing spirit bodies, not carnal ones. Angelic mortality is evident in view of the judgment of death entered against the spirit son who became God’s Adversary, or Satan, and also against those other angels who followed that satanic course and “did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place.” So the grant of “indestructible life” or “indissoluble life” to those Christians who gain the privilege of reigning with God’s Son in the heavenly Kingdom marvelously demonstrates God’s confidence in them.

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