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The Virgin Mary was no Virgin according to Mormons!

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  • #16
    Originally posted by dianaiad View Post
    but how....revealing...that you would use an honest admission of fault and an apology as an excuse for a personal attack.

    "An honest admission of fault"?

    Let's see... Ralf was claiming you were "bright", and ACCURATE.
    Your behaviour (and subsequent "admission of fault") proves that you WEREN'T "accurate".

    Just as your FALSE claim of the definition of "parthenos" proves that you WEREN'T "accurate".

    Just as your FALSE claim that we allegedly believe repentance is "one and done" (who were you quoting?!) proves that you WEREN'T "accurate".

    Just as your FALSE claim that we allegedly believe that one can continue to sin and still be saved proves that you WEREN'T "accurate".

    Just as your FALSE claim that we allegedly believe that we can ignore the commandments proves that you WEREN'T "accurate".



    "An apology"?


    You mean that post that you where you simultaneously CLAIMED to owe me an apology, but yet in the EXACT SAME POST you falsely accused me of holding to a "double standard"?

    Obviously you have NO CLUE what an "apology" actually IS.
    Last edited by Mod8; 08-12-17, 11:23 PM. Reason: No violation Poster was responding to the taunt of another poster
    "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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    "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
    but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Craig View Post
      Dear Readers,

      You should know that the OP is a deliberate falsehood. Mormonism explicitly affirms that Mary was a virgin when Jesus Christ was born.
      The proof has been provided - see the quotes by your leaders. I' afraid we know more about Mormonism than Mormons do.
      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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      • #18
        Mary clearly says to the Angel Gabriel that she has never "known" a man - in other words, that she was a Virgin.
        Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
          The proof has been provided - see the quotes by your leaders. I' afraid we know more about Mormonism than Mormons do.
          The astute reader will note that her "proof" consists of:

          1. An anti -Mormon "ministry," and
          2. A YouTube video.

          Neither is an authoritative source of doctrine in Mormonism.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Craig View Post
            The astute reader will note that her "proof" consists of:

            1. An anti -Mormon "ministry," and
            I'm curious as to why you put a space between "anti" and "-Mormon".
            It seems incredibly artificial, novel, and unorthodox.

            Isn't it amazing that Mormons apparently think they can constantly disobey authorities and still be saved?
            "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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            "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
            but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
            -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post

              I'm curious as to why you put a space between "anti" and "-Mormon".
              It seems incredibly artificial, novel, and unorthodox.

              Isn't it amazing that Mormons apparently think they can constantly disobey authorities and still be saved?
              Because the board decided to erase the other. ************ ...... anti Mormon.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

                Because the board decided to erase the other. ************ ...... anti Mormon.
                So are you saying that the addition of the space is intended to break the rules by getting around the rules?

                Doesn't that simply CONFIRM my observation that Mormons believe they can constantly disobey authorities and still be saved?
                "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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                "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
                but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
                -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post

                  So are you saying that the addition of the space is intended to break the rules by getting around the rules?

                  Doesn't that simply CONFIRM my observation that Mormons believe they can constantly disobey authorities and still be saved?
                  I saw nothing in the rules about the use of anti connected with Mormon regardless of the character used to connect them. I did see proscriptions on vulgarity and demeaning statements about the Lord. I also note that the word support had to be reworked into sup-port for the longest time. I assume these are simply the vagaries of programming.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post
                    I'm curious as to why you put a space between "anti" and "-Mormon".
                    It seems incredibly artificial, novel, and unorthodox.
                    Wanna know what's REALLY weird? When anti Mormons use the phrase "ANTI-CHRISTIAN" to attack LDS people, the posts apparently don't get auto-censored.

                    Maybe it's a glitch in the software. Yeah, that's probably the explanation.

                    Isn't it amazing that Mormons apparently think they can constantly disobey authorities and still be saved?
                    Isn't it amazing how SOME (at least one) anti Mormons think that LDS people must obey authorities in some internet forum in order to be saved??/

                    Not even CALVIN taught something THAT wacky...
                    "PWCSLWRTIMSL"="PeopleWhoCSLewisWasReferringToInMy SignatureLine"
                    ..whenever a person's religious conversation dwells..even frequently on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition-C.S. Lewis

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

                      I saw nothing in the rules about the use of anti connected with Mormon regardless of the character used to connect them. I did see proscriptions on vulgarity and demeaning statements about the Lord. I also note that the word support had to be reworked into sup-port for the longest time. I assume these are simply the vagaries of programming.
                      You assume incorrectly. And vulgarities are especially seen as obnoxious, especially when applied to Christian beliefs or symbols. For instance, calling the Trinity a nasty name would be an example.
                      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                      • #26
                        How about this LURKER, do you agree with Brigham's statement here:

                        "“The Father came down and begat him, the same as we do now…” (The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, vol. 1, p. 321; February 16, 1849, Salt Lake City)"
                        Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

                          You assume incorrectly. And vulgarities are especially seen as obnoxious, especially when applied to Christian beliefs or symbols. For instance, calling the Trinity a nasty name would be an example.
                          I don't know any nasty names for the trinity.

                          However I did re-read the rules and telling you that I disagree with the trinitarian doctrine is perfectly acceptable. I don't think that God and His Son and the Holy Ghost are homeostatic and I don't think the Bible supports that idea. I understand that trinitarians see the Three as individuals just as Mormons do but I don't think that individuality can be sufficiently suppressed or ignored to end up with the Trinity without destroying them as individuals. If one maintains the individuality of each of the three that destroys the Trinity doctrine.

                          And I believe this is born out by scripture. In every instance in the Bible each of the Three are treated individually. They interact with each other as individuals, the Savior praying to His Father, sending the Holy Spirit, subjecting Himself to the will of the Father. The only bible verses that can possibly lead to a trinitarian point of view are descriptions like "I and the Father are one" (as opposed to events like hearing the voice of the Father at the baptism of His Son) that can be taken either literally or figuratively. The choice to take them literally seems extremely silly.

                          Then to turn around and take figuratively verses that appear perfectly literal also seems pretty silly. "Ye are the offspring of God." "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." "Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
                            How about this LURKER, do you agree with Brigham's statement here:

                            "“The Father came down and begat him, the same as we do now…” (The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, vol. 1, p. 321; February 16, 1849, Salt Lake City)"
                            It doesn't matter whether or not I agree. That is Mormon doctrine.

                            According to Mormonism Jesus is the Son of the Father, not the Holy Ghost, which is the extent of our doctrine. We have no doctrine that declares how Jesus was conceived just like we have no doctrine that explains how Adam was formed. We know how people beget offspring. We have no idea how God did it other than that He did it like He does all miracles, in accordance to and with an understanding of natural law that we haven't yet mastered. When Jesus entered the locked upper room or when he was seen ascending up to heaven those actions didn't violate natural law. They simply obeyed natural law in ways we haven't learned to yet.

                            Just a note: none of y'all know how Adam was formed so please don't respond "formed out of the dust of the earth!". That tells you what material was used, not how it was done. "By the word of God!" Again, that tells you who did it, not how. If you claim to know how I'm gonna ask you to do it, to show us you know how.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post
                              According to Mormonism Jesus is the Son of the Father, not the Holy Ghost, which is the extent of our doctrine. ...
                              Excellent rebuttal. That is the way to shut the antis down, since they "claim" that this forum is for discussing the doctrines of the LDS church, so teaching them the extent of the LDS church's doctrine on a subject should -- SHOULD--satisfy them....IF they are okay with the fact that this forum is for discussing the doctrines of the LDS church .
                              "PWCSLWRTIMSL"="PeopleWhoCSLewisWasReferringToInMy SignatureLine"
                              ..whenever a person's religious conversation dwells..even frequently on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition-C.S. Lewis

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