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  • Mormons really want us to doubt our Faith in Christ

    I really got an admittance from one of the posters that said this

    EDITED--no link to original post. Please repost quote from poster and cite where it can be found, or include link

    Faith in Christ is really what Mormons are after--to destroy our faith in Jesus Christ, as in this verse: Notice the poster does not try to cover up her allegations by saying the faith they are after is in a Religion

    Romans 3:22[NKJV}
    even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;

    there is no provision in all of Scripture that allows for a faith in a church, so the Mormon is unwittingly admitting here [as an example ] that they are trying with their arguments to destroy our Faith in Christ.

    This tactic has worked on so many who have left the Mormon Church and become atheists. Their Faith is really in the Mormon Church and effectively to the people that leave and Christ does not rescue----there is no Faith to be had anywhere.

    I do pray for these Mormons {like this one] who have been so deceived that they do not realize what they are essentially saying. and believing..
    Last edited by Mod10; 05-12-18, 07:19 PM. Reason: Alert, warning given

  • #2
    Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post
    I really got an admittance from one of the posters that said this



    Faith in Christ is really what Mormons are after--to destroy our faith in Jesus Christ, as in this verse: Notice the poster does not try to cover up her allegations by saying the faith they are after is in a Religion

    Romans 3:22[NKJV}
    even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;

    there is no provision in all of Scripture that allows for a faith in a church, so the Mormon is unwittingly admitting here [as an example ] that they are trying with their arguments to destroy our Faith in Christ.

    This tactic has worked on so many who have left the Mormon Church and become atheists. Their Faith is really in the Mormon Church and effectively to the people that leave and Christ does not rescue----there is no Faith to be had anywhere.

    I do pray for these Mormons {like this one] who have been so deceived that they do not realize what they are essentially saying. and believing.
    The simplest answer James is ... One God, One Faith and one Baptism... why do you argue over that.... how much more plain can it be...
    A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post
      I really got an admittance from one of the posters that said this



      Faith in Christ is really what Mormons are after--to destroy our faith in Jesus Christ, as in this verse: Notice the poster does not try to cover up her allegations by saying the faith they are after is in a Religion

      Romans 3:22[NKJV}
      even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;

      there is no provision in all of Scripture that allows for a faith in a church, so the Mormon is unwittingly admitting here [as an example ] that they are trying with their arguments to destroy our Faith in Christ.

      This tactic has worked on so many who have left the Mormon Church and become atheists. Their Faith is really in the Mormon Church and effectively to the people that leave and Christ does not rescue----there is no Faith to be had anywhere.

      I do pray for these Mormons {like this one] who have been so deceived that they do not realize what they are essentially saying. and believing.
      edit/moderating poster


      Now, as to your claim about what I wrote; how can you claim that 'what Mormons are after" is to 'destroy [your faith in Jesus Christ," when even the portion of the quote you bothered to include states VERY SPECIFICALLY that "It's indeed what I want; I want you evangelicals to doubt your own faith--in your absolute conviction of what WE 'really' believe, and to learn more about what our beliefs truly are"

      In no way can this be read as that we want you to doubt your faith in Jesus Christ. No matter how much you want to make anybody else think it does. I don't even need to 'clarify" it, correct any grammar or fix any spelling..
      Last edited by CARM Admin; 05-12-18, 07:16 PM. Reason: alert/post OP permitted not to name user in quotes if not referring to the person/poster and simply debating the topic in a quote
      One is not cruel to ones brother. One does not hurt one's sister. One does not vilify or harm one's peers or one's friends. No, he who one would persecute must first be made 'other.'

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ralf View Post

        The simplest answer James is ... One God, One Faith and one Baptism... why do you argue over that.... how much more plain can it be...
        Ephesians 4:5 {NKJV}
        one Lord, one faith, one baptism;


        You miss that it is not a specific Religion that is it is referred to in one Lord, one Faith one baptism. It is the only True Faith it is referring to

        Your's seems to be very much at odds with the True Faith---so you firgure it out.

        and then she did not clarify what constitutes faith as she said specifically

        It's indeed what I want; I want you evangelicals to doubt your own faith-dianaiad
        Which matchs up with this one:


        Romans 3:22[NKJV}
        even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;



        Last edited by jamesone5; 05-12-18, 06:48 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post
          I really got an admittance from one of the posters that said this



          Faith in Christ is really what Mormons are after--to destroy our faith in Jesus Christ, as in this verse: Notice the poster does not try to cover up her allegations by saying the faith they are after is in a Religion

          Romans 3:22[NKJV}
          even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;

          there is no provision in all of Scripture that allows for a faith in a church, so the Mormon is unwittingly admitting here [as an example ] that they are trying with their arguments to destroy our Faith in Christ.

          This tactic has worked on so many who have left the Mormon Church and become atheists. Their Faith is really in the Mormon Church and effectively to the people that leave and Christ does not rescue----there is no Faith to be had anywhere.

          I do pray for these Mormons {like this one] who have been so deceived that they do not realize what they are essentially saying. and believing.
          Satan is the "author" and "finisher" of the Mormon cult's beliefs; and the Enemy of Christ rejoices if he is able to instill doubt in a believer.
          Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dianaiad View Post

            James one, edit

            You certainly didn't do that. edit

            Now, as to your claim about what I wrote; how can you claim that 'what Mormons are after" is to 'destroy [your faith in Jesus Christ," when even the portion of the quote you bothered to include states VERY SPECIFICALLY that "It's indeed what I want; I want you evangelicals to doubt your own faith--in your absolute conviction of what WE 'really' believe, and to learn more about what our beliefs truly are"

            In no way can this be read as that we want you to doubt your faith in Jesus Christ. No matter how much you want to make anybody else think it does. I don't even need to 'clarify" it, correct any grammar or fix any spelling.


            In no way can this be read as that we want you to doubt your faith in Jesus Christ. No matter how much you want to make anybody else think it does. I don't even need to 'clarify" it, correct any grammar or fix any spelling----dianiad.
            please provide me with a provision[in the Bible] of Faith in a Church or a particular Religion that seems to be at odds with other churches


            Faith in Christ has to be the object as most of the references point to a Faith in Christ.

            Acts 24:24[NKJV}
            And after some days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, he sent for Paul and heard him concerning the faith in Christ


            You want more? I have got 36 more on a faith in Christ and none that lists faith in a Church.
            edit

            And to be absolutely sure that I quote you in full context here is the exact full quote

            You are correct, actually. I do think that's what OC wants. It's indeed what I want; I want you evangelicals to doubt your own faith--in your absolute conviction of what WE 'really' believe, and to learn more about what our beliefs truly are. That is, I would love to have you doubt your convictions regarding us and begin to learn who we are, really. For me, it's not about converting you, but getting you all to criticize us for who we are and what we believe, not the strawman construction you have erected for your target practice.---dianaiad
            ---
            And of course there is only one reference to the word "faith" in the full quote
            Last edited by CARM Admin; 05-13-18, 01:44 PM. Reason: edit/quote/only need link to quote if naming user in quote/moderating posters edited from quote

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

              Satan is the "author" and "finisher" of the Mormon cult's beliefs; and the Enemy of Christ rejoices if he is able to instill doubt in a believer.
              The sad thing is they are deceived like I was for 40 years. I can't tell you what Blessing it has been to get out from under that cloud of deception

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              • #8
                [QUOTE=jamesone5;n5261701]

                Ephesians 4:5 {NKJV}
                one Lord, one faith, one baptism;


                You miss that it is not a specific Religion that is it is referred to in one Lord, one Faith one baptism. It is the only True Faith it is referring to


                Specific Religion? which of the hundreds of different christian churches has the One Faith, One baptism... they all see baptism differently...

                Your's seems to be very much at odds with the True Faith---so you firgure it out.

                One Faith, One Plan of Salvation.. pretty clear and specific...


                A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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                • #9
                  [QUOTE=Ralf;n5261828]
                  Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post

                  Ephesians 4:5 {NKJV}
                  one Lord, one faith, one baptism;


                  You miss that it is not a specific Religion that is it is referred to in one Lord, one Faith one baptism. It is the only True Faith it is referring to


                  Specific Religion? which of the hundreds of different christian churches has the One Faith, One baptism... they all see baptism differently...

                  Your's seems to be very much at odds with the True Faith---so you firgure it out.

                  One Faith, One Plan of Salvation.. pretty clear and specific...

                  No they don.t see baptism "differently"---that is just what you have been told in the deception of the Mormon church.

                  But nice try in trying to get me to doubt my faith in Jesu Christ as I contend.

                  Where you not avoiding the claim I quoted and trying to make it all about OUR Chruchs-------hmmmmmm?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post





                    please provide me with a provision[in the Bible] of Faith in a Church or a particular Religion that seems to be at odds with other churches


                    Faith in Christ has to be the object as most of the references point to a Faith in Christ.

                    Acts 24:24[NKJV}
                    And after some days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, he sent for Paul and heard him concerning the faith in Christ


                    You want more? I have got 36 more on a faith in Christ and none that lists faith in a Church.

                    but whether or not you think I broke the rules, you did, by the way make your own quote to the statement in question,

                    And to be absolutely sure that I quote you in full context here is the exact full quote



                    And of course there is only one reference to the word "faith" in the full quote
                    Moving the goalposts, and changing your claim. You claimed that I 'admitted' that I wanted you to doubt your faith in Jesus Christ, when I very plainly wrote that I wanted anti-Mormons to doubt their faith in their conviction that they know what we believe.

                    Now if you wish to admit that those two things...what we believe/what you think we believe, is the same thing as having faith in Christ, then I suggest that you just might want to sit back and think about what THAT means.
                    One is not cruel to ones brother. One does not hurt one's sister. One does not vilify or harm one's peers or one's friends. No, he who one would persecute must first be made 'other.'

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dianaiad View Post

                      Moving the goalposts, and changing your claim. You claimed that I 'admitted' that I wanted you to doubt your faith in Jesus Christ, when I very plainly wrote that I wanted anti-Mormons to doubt their faith in their conviction that they know what we believe.

                      Now if you wish to admit that those two things...what we believe/what you think we believe, is the same thing as having faith in Christ, then I suggest that you just might want to sit back and think about what THAT means.
                      --- Not moving the goal posts. but tproviding even more evidense against what you assert.



                      You are correct, actually. I do think that's what OC wants. It's indeed what I want; I want you evangelicals to doubt your own faith--in your absolute conviction of what WE 'really' believe, and to learn more about what our beliefs truly are. That is, I would love to have you doubt your convictions regarding us and begin to learn who we are, really. For me, it's not about converting you, but getting you all to criticize us for who we are and what we believe, not the strawman construction you have erected for your target practice.---dianaiad


                      --- Not moving the goal posts. but tproviding even more evidense against what you assert.


                      See what you have done is separate the two statements with two dashes and now you are trying to convince me that both statements are tied together and as you list them, they really make no sense at all with those dashes there.

                      just like on the last little "bicker debate" we had, you Are NOT going to convince me of anything. This is my former Religion that deceives people and pretends "we don't mean what we say at all"

                      Have you ever heard anyone claim "i have a conviction in christ?: Or I have faith in my conviction in christ?The word faith, by the way when it is used in the Bible is primarily a "faith" in Christ.

                      You probably ought to deal with the fact that excuses do not cut it with me.
                      Last edited by jamesone5; 05-12-18, 10:11 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post

                        Wher does this say doubt our conviction?

                        ou are correct, actually. I do think that's what OC wants. It's indeed what I want; I want you evangelicals to doubt your own faith--in your absolute conviction of what WE 'really' believe, and to learn more about what our beliefs truly are. That is, I would love to have you doubt your convictions regarding us and begin to learn who we are, really. For me, it's not about converting you, but getting you all to criticize us for who we are and what we believe, not the strawman construction you have erected for your target practice.---dianaiad
                        ---

                        See what you have done is separate the two statements with dash and now you are trying to convince me that both statements are tied together.

                        just like on the last little "bicker debate" we had, you Are NOT going to convince me of anything. This is my former Religion that deceives people and pretends "we don't mean what we say at all"

                        You probably ought to deal with the fact that excuses do not cut it with me.
                        That's what a dash does. james. It connects the two statements and provides emphasis. Sheesh.

                        I understand that you want it to mean what you want it to mean, as is your wont, but really; neither statement mentions Jesus Christ, especially in any sense of anybody attempting to destroy your faith in Him. It means what I wrote. It does NOT mean what you claim it does. Really. it means that i want you to doubt your faith in your conviction that you know what we 'really' believe.

                        Which has absolutely nothing to do with your faith in Christ.

                        Great googly moogly.
                        One is not cruel to ones brother. One does not hurt one's sister. One does not vilify or harm one's peers or one's friends. No, he who one would persecute must first be made 'other.'

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dianaiad View Post

                          That's what a dash does. james. It connects the two statements and provides emphasis. Sheesh.

                          I understand that you want it to mean what you want it to mean, as is your wont, but really; neither statement mentions Jesus Christ, especially in any sense of anybody attempting to destroy your faith in Him. It means what I wrote. It does NOT mean what you claim it does. Really. it means that i want you to doubt your faith in your conviction that you know what we 'really' believe.

                          Which has absolutely nothing to do with your faith in Christ.

                          Great googly moogly.
                          Really. it means that i want you to doubt your faith in your conviction that you know what we 'really' believe.--dianiad
                          why did you change right now your first statement and take out the dashes----hmmmmmm? Hope no one would notice?

                          You do not have to mention Jesus christ it is already implied when you use the word "faith" When we are referring to faith it has to be on Christ. Faith in you church, in which you are speaking in code, means your supposedly faith in your ONLY TRUE Church, After all, you claim in testimonies that faith in your church and your prophet are a vital part of you fatih. By the way "I KNOW " exhibits that faith, even though you add in a faith in Christ or an "I Know.".

                          Once again, no goal post moves, but more evidence being presented..


                          Are you frustrated because your arguments do not work on me like some newbie convert?
                          Last edited by jamesone5; 05-12-18, 10:50 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post


                            why did you change right now your first statement and take out the dashes----hmmmmmm? Hope no one would notice?

                            You do not have to mention Jesus christ it is already implied when you use the word "faith" When we are referring to faith it has to be on Christ. Faith in you church, in which you are speaking in code, means your supposedly faith in your ONLY TRUE Church, After all, you claim in testimonies that faith in your church and your prophet are a vital part of you fatih. By the way "I KNOW " exhibits that faith, even though you add in a faith in Christ or an "I Know.".

                            Once again, no goal post moves, but more evidence being presented..


                            Are you frustrated because your arguments do not work on me like some newbie convert?
                            You warned me long ago, Jameson...do you remember?
                            And you were right...
                            God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
                            What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
                            All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ralf View Post

                              The simplest answer James is ... One God, One Faith and one Baptism... why do you argue over that.... how much more plain can it be...
                              Nobody is arguing over that, Ralf.
                              We know the One God.
                              We are a part of the One Faith.
                              We have been baptized with the One Baptism.

                              We know the simplicity that is in Christ.

                              And we didn't have to dig it our of the ground, or run clutching it under our arm.
                              We certainly do not keep it under a blanket or ask our friends to sign an affidavit that they saw it.
                              Freely we were given...freely we also give...
                              God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
                              What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
                              All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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