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    "2 There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things—by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible: whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space—They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image;—he is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father: possessing all the fulness of the Father, or, the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and was ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name, and is called the Son because of the flesh—and descended in suffering below that which man can suffer, or, in other words, suffered greater sufferings, and was exposed to more powerful contradictions than any man can be."(The Godhead Lecture Fifth)Lectures on Faith

    A friend gets credit for this find,

    Alma 31:15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.

    John 4:24 God is spirit,
    and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and in truth.”

    Yes, this thread is for the purpose of collecting quotes from LDS related to God the Father being a spirit in nature, and not having a physical body.
    Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

  • #2
    I don't see any takers.
    "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
    "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
    "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
    "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
    "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
      "2 There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things—by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible: whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space—They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image;—he is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father: possessing all the fulness of the Father, or, the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and was ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name, and is called the Son because of the flesh—and descended in suffering below that which man can suffer, or, in other words, suffered greater sufferings, and was exposed to more powerful contradictions than any man can be."(The Godhead Lecture Fifth)Lectures on Faith

      A friend gets credit for this find,

      Alma 31:15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.

      John 4:24 God is spirit,
      and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and in truth.”

      Yes, this thread is for the purpose of collecting quotes from LDS related to God the Father being a spirit in nature, and not having a physical body.
      You should have read the passage for yourself.

      Now the Zoramites were dissenters from the Nephites; therefore they had had the word of God preached unto them.....But they had fallen into great errors...saying: Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.

      Not exactly the message you were hoping to share, is it?

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      • #4
        Joseph Smith Jr. taught in his Lectures on Faith - lecture 5th, that the Father was a spirit being. This was in the SLC LDS's D&C from 1833 until 1921. So, if Joseph taught something at a later time, then he showed that he was clueless concerning the nature of the Godhead, because his concept of the godhead appeared to be in a constant state of flux. The SLC LDS group has decided to fixate on spurious teachings that Joseph gave in the KFD. Joseph delivered the KFD April 7, 1844 and he was cut off in Carthage IL, June 27, 1844.
        "You have just constructed a straw man so large you could burn it in the desert and hold an annoying festival around it"


        "One's personal world view can be so powerful that it blinds them to any evidence that contradicts it"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

          You should have read the passage for yourself.

          Now the Zoramites were dissenters from the Nephites; therefore they had had the word of God preached unto them.....But they had fallen into great errors...saying: Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.

          Not exactly the message you were hoping to share, is it?
          You are correct; however, the aberration of the Zoramites appears to be NOT that they believe that God is spirit but that they believe in the doctrine of election--that God has elected some to salvation and some to damnation--and that there will be no Christ. Alma also was grieved because of their pride and greed for gold and silver andother fine things, and cried out to God, "How long wilt thou suffer that such wickedness and infidelity shall be among this people?(also in Alma 31). After reading the rest of the chapter and part of the next I don't see where Alma had any complaint about their belief that God is spirit. Just their belief in double-ended pre-destination and their claiming God said there will be no Christ and also, lambasting them for their love of money and fine things; for being puffed up and proud. Unless I missed it somewhere.

          Did you miss this stuff? .
          "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
          "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
          "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
          "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
          "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
            "2 There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things—by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible: whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space—They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image;—he is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father: possessing all the fulness of the Father, or, the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and was ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name, and is called the Son because of the flesh—and descended in suffering below that which man can suffer, or, in other words, suffered greater sufferings, and was exposed to more powerful contradictions than any man can be."(The Godhead Lecture Fifth)Lectures on Faith

            A friend gets credit for this find,

            Alma 31:15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.

            John 4:24 God is spirit,
            and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and in truth.”

            Yes, this thread is for the purpose of collecting quotes from LDS related to God the Father being a spirit in nature, and not having a physical body.
            Sorry, I didn't realize that you already covered the LoF. That and John 4:24 as you have listed above, pretty much bury any inane arguments to the contrary.
            "You have just constructed a straw man so large you could burn it in the desert and hold an annoying festival around it"


            "One's personal world view can be so powerful that it blinds them to any evidence that contradicts it"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
              "2 There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things—by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible: whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space—They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image;—he is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father: possessing all the fulness of the Father, or, the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and was ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name, and is called the Son because of the flesh—and descended in suffering below that which man can suffer, or, in other words, suffered greater sufferings, and was exposed to more powerful contradictions than any man can be."(The Godhead Lecture Fifth)Lectures on Faith

              A friend gets credit for this find,

              Alma 31:15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.

              John 4:24 God is spirit,
              and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and in truth.”

              Yes, this thread is for the purpose of collecting quotes from LDS related to God the Father being a spirit in nature, and not having a physical body.
              No where in The Book of Mormon does it teach God The Father has a physical body
              And inasmuch as mine enemies come against you ... ye shall curse them; And whomsoever ye curse, I will curse, and ye shall avenge me of mine enemies (Doctrine and Covenants, 103:24-25)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post
                No where in The Book of Mormon does it teach God The Father has a physical body
                Maybe they didn’t know, or were commanded not to record that. Joseph could only translate what they inscribed.

                Why would they have recorded something that they had not received the truth of.

                They worshipped 1 God. These were a people that were from Jerusalem, at that time the Jews were hearing of many gods, and some were turning from the One true God.

                So the Book of Mormon people taught 1 true God. It’s a pure good teaching. It’s clear.

                The Book of Mormon people may not have fully understood or been ready to learn the True Nature of God.

                Look how deep that doctrine is in the timeline of Joseph’s revelations. It’s way at the back of the D&C.

                Many things Taught by Christ are not in the Book of Mormon. In fact, it states exactly that. They are commanded by Christ not to write certain parts.

                The corporeal nature of the Father may be one of those.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post

                  Maybe they didn’t know, or were commanded not to record that. Joseph could only translate what they inscribed.

                  Why would they have recorded something that they had not received the truth of.

                  They worshipped 1 God. These were a people that were from Jerusalem, at that time the Jews were hearing of many gods, and some were turning from the One true God.

                  So the Book of Mormon people taught 1 true God. It’s a pure good teaching. It’s clear.

                  The Book of Mormon people may not have fully understood or been ready to learn the True Nature of God.

                  Look how deep that doctrine is in the timeline of Joseph’s revelations. It’s way at the back of the D&C.

                  Many things Taught by Christ are not in the Book of Mormon. In fact, it states exactly that. They are commanded by Christ not to write certain parts.

                  The corporeal nature of the Father may be one of those.

                  Answers to Gospel Questions Vol. 3 pp 98-99 under Counsel given by President Charles W. Penrose

                  Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead, and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." well what is the fulnesspel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, section 76, in the Doctrine and Covanants, and you find there defined what the gospel is, There God the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three persons in the Trinity-the one God the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principals, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason:

                  General Conference Report, April 1922, pp 27-28.




                  https://i.imgur.com/TKLgJuO.jpg
                  And inasmuch as mine enemies come against you ... ye shall curse them; And whomsoever ye curse, I will curse, and ye shall avenge me of mine enemies (Doctrine and Covenants, 103:24-25)

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for that, I guess.

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