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What other words does the BOM use in the BC era which are out of place?

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  • What other words does the BOM use in the BC era which are out of place?

    A friend referred to Book of Mormon, Alma 31.

    It was noticed that words like Church and Christ were used in the Before Christ Era and as such are out of place.

    Here is a copy of the LXX, Septuagint http://www.bennozuiddam.com/Septuagint.pdf
    church and Christ are not used in translation.

    What other words does the BOM use in the BC era which are out of place?

    To LDS friends, just saying these words were just a prophecy or revelation does not cut it because those words are not used in historical documents Before the Common Era or Before Christ himself.
    Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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    Numbers 23:18-23 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
    18 Balaam proclaimed his poem:

    Balak, get up and listen;
    son of Zippor, pay attention to what I say!
    19 God is not a man, that he might lie,
    or a son of man, that he might change his mind.
    Does he speak and not act,
    or promise and not fulfill?
    20 I have indeed received a command to bless;
    since he has blessed, I cannot change it.

    21 He considers no disaster for Jacob;
    he sees no trouble for Israel.
    The Lord their God is with them,
    and there is rejoicing over the King among them.
    22 God brought them out of Egypt;
    he is like the horns of a wild ox for them.
    23 There is no magic curse against Jacob
    and no divination against Israel.
    It will now be said about Jacob and Israel,
    “What great things God has done!”




    Me: God would not give any revelations in any form of Egyptian based on the false gods there and based on Israel's history with Egypt.

    Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
      A friend referred to Book of Mormon, Alma 31.

      It was noticed that words like Church and Christ were used in the Before Christ Era and as such are out of place.

      Here is a copy of the LXX, Septuagint http://www.bennozuiddam.com/Septuagint.pdf
      church and Christ are not used in translation.

      What other words does the BOM use in the BC era which are out of place?

      To LDS friends, just saying these words were just a prophecy or revelation does not cut it because those words are not used in historical documents Before the Common Era or Before Christ himself.
      Church and Christ are perfectly appropriate English words and useful when translating from some other language into English. Why would you not expect to find them in a text translated in 1830? The word Assassin didn't exist until until the 16th century but a translator would still be correct in using it when translating a word that means killer for hire.

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      • #4
        Do Mormons know the meaning of the word "anachronism"??
        God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
        What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
        All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Barrd View Post
          Do Mormons know the meaning of the word "anachronism"??
          Yes, at least this one does.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post

            Yes, at least this one does.
            You do realize that speaking about Christ and/or His Church before He was born would be an anachronism?
            God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
            What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
            All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
              A friend referred to Book of Mormon, Alma 31.

              It was noticed that words like Church and Christ were used in the Before Christ Era and as such are out of place.

              Here is a copy of the LXX, Septuagint http://www.bennozuiddam.com/Septuagint.pdf
              church and Christ are not used in translation.

              What other words does the BOM use in the BC era which are out of place?

              To LDS friends, just saying these words were just a prophecy or revelation does not cut it because those words are not used in historical documents Before the Common Era or Before Christ himself.
              "Adieu"?
              "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
              "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
              "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
              "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
              "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Barrd View Post

                You do realize that speaking about Christ and/or His Church before He was born would be an anachronism?
                Those may not have been the inscriptions on the plates. The Book is a translation, because the Book of Mormon was written for our day, not the day in which it was written.

                there are some anachronism’s in the Book of Mormon.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
                  Numbers 23:18-23 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
                  18 Balaam proclaimed his poem:

                  Balak, get up and listen;
                  son of Zippor, pay attention to what I say!
                  19 God is not a man, that he might lie,
                  or a son of man, that he might change his mind.
                  Does he speak and not act,
                  or promise and not fulfill?
                  20 I have indeed received a command to bless;
                  since he has blessed, I cannot change it.

                  21 He considers no disaster for Jacob;
                  he sees no trouble for Israel.
                  The Lord their God is with them,
                  and there is rejoicing over the King among them.
                  22 God brought them out of Egypt;
                  he is like the horns of a wild ox for them.
                  23 There is no magic curse against Jacob
                  and no divination against Israel.
                  It will now be said about Jacob and Israel,
                  “What great things God has done!”




                  Me: God would not give any revelations in any form of Egyptian based on the false gods there and based on Israel's history with Egypt.
                  Of course not, but Mormons are still back in polytheistic Egypt.
                  Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post
                    Those may not have been the inscriptions on the plates. The Book is a translation, because the Book of Mormon was written for our day, not the day in which it was written.

                    there are some anachronism’s in the Book of Mormon.
                    I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, here. Are you trying to tell us that the ancient people who wrote the BoM foretold the future?
                    God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
                    What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
                    All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Barrd View Post

                      I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, here. Are you trying to tell us that the ancient people who wrote the BoM foretold the future?
                      The inscription may have been Messiah, Savior, Lord, or another synonym for Christ. Translated it makes sense to translate to Jesus Christ, because the Book of Mormon was compiled not for the people who lived then, but rather for our day. If you read the preface/intro to the Book of Mormon it explains the “for our day”.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post
                        The inscription may have been Messiah, Savior, Lord, or another synonym for Christ. Translated it makes sense to translate to Jesus Christ, because the Book of Mormon was compiled not for the people who lived then, but rather for our day. If you read the preface/intro to the Book of Mormon it explains the “for our day”.
                        المسيح عيسى
                        Maybe you could translate for me...

                        لانه هكذا احب الله العالم حتى بذل ابنه الوحيد
                        Last edited by The Barrd; 05-19-18, 11:43 AM.
                        God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
                        What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
                        All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Barrd View Post

                          المسيح عيسى
                          Maybe you could translate for me...

                          لانه هكذا احب الله العالم حتى بذل ابنه الوحيد
                          Jesus Christ

                          For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son

                          I know the Book of Mormon is ancient scripture

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post

                            Jesus Christ

                            For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son

                            I know the Book of Mormon is ancient scripture
                            You believe it is Holy scripture.

                            I do not...

                            Btw...the language you just read for us was not "Nephite"...but you knew that, didn't you? It wasn't any language that a displaced Jewish person ought to be speaking...unless they were speaking with a bitter, hated enemy....
                            God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
                            What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
                            All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Barrd View Post

                              You believe it is Holy scripture.

                              I do not...

                              Btw...the language you just read for us was not "Nephite"...but you knew that, didn't you? It wasn't any language that a displaced Jewish person ought to be speaking...unless they were speaking with a bitter, hated enemy....
                              I used my pocket urim and thummin. (Google translate)

                              No clue what you are talking about— displaced Jew?

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