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A great thesis written to prove the 19th century origin of the Book of Mormon

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  • A great thesis written to prove the 19th century origin of the Book of Mormon

    The insight of Mark Twain regarding the Book of Mormon:

    “The book seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament. The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James'translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel-half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity. The latter is awkward and constrained; the former natural, but grotesque by the contrast. Whenever he found his speech growing too modern-which was about every sentence or two-he ladled in a few such scriptural phrases as “exceeding sore,” “and it came to pass,” etc., and made things satisfactory again. “And it came to pass” was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet"

    This is quoted in a thesis which I will link to demonstrating once and for all that the Book of Mormon is nothing but 19th century pious fiction. written by Ray Anderson, and titled, "The Book of Mormon: A Voice from 19 th Century Dust An Overview of the Evidence for the Book’s Modern Origin."

    Even one Mormon scholar we know has publicly suggested the 19th century origin of the book, and I believe many others agree but are truly afraid to rock the cultic boat and end up excommunicated for some contrived reason and shunned by friends and family. There is just too much evidence out there for anybody who thinks things through to believe the narrative is anything but sheer fiction. Science, Linguistics, Botany, Anthropology, and especially archaeology. speak out against the Book of Mormon being an ancient text and historical (unless they are working for outfits lik FAIR).

    So, here is a link to this outstanding study of the 19th century origin of the Book of Mormon: http://www.exmormonfoundation.org/fi...ofMormon07.PDF

    The Mormons here can read this thesis without anybody (other Mormons) snooping over their shoulders, and have some privacy. Christians need to read it for information.
    Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 07-04-18, 04:17 PM.
    Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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    Waiting for some Mormon to tell me this is too boring to address!
    Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
      Waiting for some Mormon to tell me this is too boring to address!
      I read it. 80 pages. Itís full of contradictions. Itís like duck hunting spray a bunch of different bbís and you may hit something.

      Here is his conclusion:
      All conjecture aside, there really is no definitive way to explain how Joseph accomplished this most daunting task. But the fact that we donít yet fully understand how Joseph Smith produced the Book of Mormon doesnít change the fact that he clearly did produce it. The internal and external evidence, in my opinion, is simply too overwhelming to say otherwise.

      What a bunch of a waste of kilobytes on a PDF.

      He writes 80 pages of other peopleís ideas, then doesnít have an explanation in the end.

      And you call this good?

      Basically the author calls the book Fiction, by writing more....fiction.

      Its utter nonsense. Itís tired arguments and he shows a lack of knowledge of the extant text and the current work.

      He makes no attempt to explain hebraisms, or chiasmus.

      He he does not address intertextual complexity.

      He does not discuss the provenance of the plates.

      He misused Nibleys work and quoted him out of context.

      He is using a scattershot, throw theories at the wall to see what sticks or resonates.

      Some works look and feel academic. It is just looks.

      This is a tired plagiarism of various anti Mormon theories copy and pasted together into an 80 page blob.

      It arrives as no conclusion to the thesis.

      It fails to produce what it promises.

      did you even read this before you posted it? It’s embarassing.

      Last edited by CTR-Lloyd; 07-05-18, 12:28 AM.

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      • #4
        Just tell me whether the author definitely concludes that CA's conspiracy theory (that JS had NOTHING to do with creating the BOM and was NOT the founder of Mormonism) is correct.
        ...whenever a person's religious conversation dwells... on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition-C.S. Lewis

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NRA-Jeff View Post
          Just tell me whether the author definitely concludes that CA's conspiracy theory (that JS had NOTHING to do with creating the BOM and was NOT the founder of Mormonism) is correct.
          ROTFL 😂

          He is in the exact opposite camp. The author has copied and pasted more theories than the Inuit have words for Snow.

          The best is that after all of it, he is hoping someone else will figure it out.

          this is just as laughable as the CES letter.
          Last edited by CTR-Lloyd; 07-05-18, 12:30 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
            Waiting for some Mormon to tell me this is too boring to address!
            It's July 4th. I watched "1776," had a picnic, and am now comforting my dog because he's scared spitless of fireworks. If you don't have anything better to do this day than post utterly pointless and silly OPs, I have better things to do than address them.

            Catch me tomorrow. Maybe then I'll be interested.

            Oh. Wait. Didn't you once claim that Mormons have no right to celebrate holidays like Independence Day? I'm sure I remember that from somewhere way back when...could be wrong, but...I don't think so.

            Ah, well.
            Providing a proper reference/citation for a quote says nothing. Refusing to provide a proper reference/citation for a quote says everything: it’s a credibility killer. Nothing says “I'm making this up” like refusing to provide citations.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
              Waiting for some Mormon to tell me this is too boring to address!
              You posted at noon on the 4th of July and waited a whole two hours for the Mormons to respond to your request to critique an 80 page document? From exMormonfoundation??

              When I read the OP I saw this...

              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
              "

              ....demonstrating once and for all that the Book of Mormon is nothing but 19th century pious fiction.
              Isnít that the same claim youíve made just about every week for the last decade? Arenít you tired of finding the silver bullet that will ďonce and for allĒ put Mormonism to rest only to find out that you were sold, yet again, a blank cartridge painted silver?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
                The insight of Mark Twain regarding the Book of Mormon:

                “The book seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament. The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James'translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel-half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity. The latter is awkward and constrained; the former natural, but grotesque by the contrast. Whenever he found his speech growing too modern-which was about every sentence or two-he ladled in a few such scriptural phrases as “exceeding sore,” “and it came to pass,” etc., and made things satisfactory again. “And it came to pass” was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet"

                This is quoted in a thesis which I will link to demonstrating once and for all that the Book of Mormon is nothing but 19th century pious fiction. written by Ray Anderson, and titled, "The Book of Mormon: A Voice from 19 th Century Dust An Overview of the Evidence for the Book’s Modern Origin."

                Even one Mormon scholar we know has publicly suggested the 19th century origin of the book, and I believe many others agree but are truly afraid to rock the cultic boat and end up excommunicated for some contrived reason and shunned by friends and family. There is just too much evidence out there for anybody who thinks things through to believe the narrative is anything but sheer fiction. Science, Linguistics, Botany, Anthropology, and especially archaeology. speak out against the Book of Mormon being an ancient text and historical (unless they are working for outfits lik FAIR).

                So, here is a link to this outstanding study of the 19th century origin of the Book of Mormon: http://www.exmormonfoundation.org/fi...ofMormon07.PDF

                The Mormons here can read this thesis without anybody (other Mormons) snooping over their shoulders, and have some privacy. Christians need to read it for information.
                What to do with the 11 other witness that they saw and some even hefted and flipped the pages of the Gold Plates.... Good ole Ray Anderson does not touch on that... wonder why?
                A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NRA-Jeff View Post
                  Just tell me whether the author definitely concludes that CA's conspiracy theory (that JS had NOTHING to do with creating the BOM and was NOT the founder of Mormonism) is correct.
                  Now why would you throw a hitch into their narrative.... you muddy up the waters of these extremist Jeff... now they have to go back and somehow connect the dots... oh my!
                  A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

                    You posted at noon on the 4th of July and waited a whole two hours for the Mormons to respond to your request to critique an 80 page document? From exMormonfoundation??

                    When I read the OP I saw this...



                    Isnít that the same claim youíve made just about every week for the last decade? Arenít you tired of finding the silver bullet that will ďonce and for allĒ put Mormonism to rest only to find out that you were sold, yet again, a blank cartridge painted silver?
                    Do not forget than the in between weeks (no name) posts that JS was a pedophile... go figure... both of these seem to be what (no name) hangs their hat on....
                    A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

                      You posted at noon on the 4th of July and waited a whole two hours for the Mormons to respond to your request to critique an 80 page document? From exMormonfoundation??

                      When I read the OP I saw this...



                      Isn’t that the same claim you’ve made just about every week for the last decade? Aren’t you tired of finding the silver bullet that will “once and for all” put Mormonism to rest only to find out that you were sold, yet again, a blank cartridge painted silver?
                      And you didn't bother to read the thesis, right LURKER? So, instead of doing so, you attack the poster. The Mormons here won't be able to give cogent answers to the issues raised. See the posts above for an example.
                      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dianaiad View Post

                        It's July 4th. I watched "1776," had a picnic, and am now comforting my dog because he's scared spitless of fireworks. If you don't have anything better to do this day than post utterly pointless and silly OPs, I have better things to do than address them.

                        Catch me tomorrow. Maybe then I'll be interested.

                        Oh. Wait. Didn't you once claim that Mormons have no right to celebrate holidays like Independence Day? I'm sure I remember that from somewhere way back when...could be wrong, but...I don't think so.

                        Ah, well.
                        Don't bother, please.
                        Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NRA-Jeff View Post
                          Just tell me whether the author definitely concludes that CA's conspiracy theory (that JS had NOTHING to do with creating the BOM and was NOT the founder of Mormonism) is correct.
                          Afraid to read the thesis, right Jeff? Just the same old, same old that we've come to expect from the Mormons: puerile responses.
                          Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 07-05-18, 09:26 AM.
                          Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                          • #14
                            So, if anybody out there is seriously considering Mormonism as a religion, I would like to call your attention the fact that no Mormon here could give one intelligent response to the issues raised in the thesis linked to in the OP - NOT ONE! For Mormons, mocking is supposed to be an acceptable response. I hope that any "inquirers" take a look at the responses found here and learn one thing: Mormonism is a huge deception, and one way Mormons try to cover that up is by mockery.

                            Prov. 1: ďHow long, O naive ones, will you love being simple-minded? And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing And fools hate knowledge?
                            Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

                              Don't bother, please.
                              Well, since you said 'please...'
                              Providing a proper reference/citation for a quote says nothing. Refusing to provide a proper reference/citation for a quote says everything: it’s a credibility killer. Nothing says “I'm making this up” like refusing to provide citations.

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