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The Book of Mormon versus Joseph Smith

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post

    In Mormonism Joseph Smith is the arbitrator , yardstick and paramount authority for TRUTH well above Scripture and the Words of Jesus
    I noticed. Yet, later "revelation" disagrees with the BoM. So, which should Mormons believe? The BoM? The D and C? The Pearl books? The Bible? I already have discerned that they tend to hold the Bible in lower esteem than the other three. Sad.
    "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
    "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
    Its easy to fool a man, but nearly impossible to convince him he's been fooled. --Mark Twain."
    "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
    "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
    "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

      I noticed. Yet, later "revelation" disagrees with the BoM. So, which should Mormons believe? The BoM? The D and C? The Pearl books? The Bible? I already have discerned that they tend to hold the Bible in lower esteem than the other three. Sad.
      The only one that could be translated incorrectly would be the Bible in Mormonism
      And inasmuch as mine enemies come against you ... ye shall curse them; And whomsoever ye curse, I will curse, and ye shall avenge me of mine enemies (Doctrine and Covenants, 103:24-25)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post

        The only one that could be translated incorrectly would be the Bible in Mormonism
        "translated incorrectly"???

        So, you think we ought to toss the Bible in favor of the BoM?

        I don't think so...
        God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
        What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
        All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post

          The only one that could be translated incorrectly would be the Bible in Mormonism
          Some Mormons on here have stated that they do not believe the BoM is perfect, but could contain mistales.
          "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
          "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
          Its easy to fool a man, but nearly impossible to convince him he's been fooled. --Mark Twain."
          "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
          "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
          "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

            Some Mormons on here have stated that they do not believe the BoM is perfect, but could contain mistales.

            Seems with Mormons, their glass is always half empty....
            God Who was made flesh for me and nailed upon a lonely tree
            What gift can I bring that would suffice to repay such great sacrifice?
            All that I am I lay at Your throne. Make me, Lord, Your very Own.

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            • #36
              You guys can say what you like; the Book of Mormon is canonized LDS scripture; and everything taught in the Book of Mormon is Mormon doctrine. That applies equally to all the other canonized scripture of the Church.
              zerinus
              I am a Mormon!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

                Some Mormons on here have stated that they do not believe the BoM is perfect, but could contain mistales.
                '
                That would be blasphemy in Mormon circles
                And inasmuch as mine enemies come against you ... ye shall curse them; And whomsoever ye curse, I will curse, and ye shall avenge me of mine enemies (Doctrine and Covenants, 103:24-25)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by zerinus View Post
                  You guys can say what you like; the Book of Mormon is canonized LDS scripture; and everything taught in the Book of Mormon is Mormon doctrine. That applies equally to all the other canonized scripture of the Church.
                  It is Mormon doctrine? Even the verses where they say that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are "One God"? And where it says there is NO OTHER GOD?

                  How about the verses where God says that it was an abomination to him when David and Solomon multiplied wives unto themselves? Is that doctrine, too?

                  Is the BoM without errors?
                  "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
                  "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
                  Its easy to fool a man, but nearly impossible to convince him he's been fooled. --Mark Twain."
                  "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
                  "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
                  "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

                    It is Mormon doctrine? Even the verses where they say that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are "One God"? And where it says there is NO OTHER GOD?

                    How about the verses where God says that it was an abomination to him when David and Solomon multiplied wives unto themselves? Is that doctrine, too?
                    Everything in the Book of Mormon is Mormon doctrine.

                    Is the BoM without errors?
                    Doctrinally and theologically speaking, yes. It doesn't mean there are no spelling mistakes in it, or printers mistakes, or copying errors.
                    zerinus
                    I am a Mormon!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by zerinus View Post

                      Everything in the Book of Mormon is Mormon doctrine.



                      Doctrinally and theologically speaking, yes. It doesn't mean there are no spelling mistakes in it, or printers mistakes, or copying errors.
                      In my OP I showed you do be wrong
                      And inasmuch as mine enemies come against you ... ye shall curse them; And whomsoever ye curse, I will curse, and ye shall avenge me of mine enemies (Doctrine and Covenants, 103:24-25)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post
                        In my OP I showed you do be wrong
                        You did no such thing. The Book of Mormon is canonized LDS scripture, period. That speaks for itself. You can knock your head against that wall until all your brains fall out, it will not alter that fact.
                        zerinus
                        I am a Mormon!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by zerinus View Post

                          You did no such thing. The Book of Mormon is canonized LDS scripture, period. That speaks for itself. You can knock your head against that wall until all your brains fall out, it will not alter that fact.
                          The Book of Mormon completely contradicts major Mormon teachings even if it's canonized

                          example below

                          https://i.imgur.com/StVsFwg.jpg
                          And inasmuch as mine enemies come against you ... ye shall curse them; And whomsoever ye curse, I will curse, and ye shall avenge me of mine enemies (Doctrine and Covenants, 103:24-25)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post

                            The Book of Mormon completely contradicts major Mormon teachings even if it's canonized
                            That is a contradiction in terms. It is a self-contradictory statement. It is like saying, "you don't believe what you believe". The Book of Mormon IS the scriptural canon of Mormonism. It is what the LDS Church BELIEVES. It is a STATEMENT OF BELIEF of Mormonism. It is the WORD OF GOD as far as Mormonism is concerned, and CANONIZED LDS SCRIPTURE. You can't have anything that is more "official" or "authoritative" than that. The LDS Church determines what it believes. Everybody determines for themselves what they believe. You don't determine for anybody what they believe. You ask them what they believe, and they tell you. You don't tell them what they believe.
                            zerinus
                            I am a Mormon!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by zerinus View Post

                              Everything in the Book of Mormon is Mormon doctrine.



                              Doctrinally and theologically speaking, yes. It doesn't mean there are no spelling mistakes in it, or printers mistakes, or copying errors.
                              Okay. So, is it correct where it says that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are "one God"? And that there is no other God but one? (paraphrasing a little)
                              "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
                              "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
                              Its easy to fool a man, but nearly impossible to convince him he's been fooled. --Mark Twain."
                              "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
                              "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
                              "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post

                                The Book of Mormon completely contradicts major Mormon teachings even if it's canonized

                                example below

                                https://i.imgur.com/StVsFwg.jpg
                                Interesting...Heleman 5 even says Jesus is the foundation and that they should build upon Him. "It is upon the Rock of our Redeemer, who is Christ, the Son of God, that ye must build your foundation...' Obviously suggested by the Matthew verse, where Jesus says 'upon this Rock i will build My church and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Yet--of THIS verse, I have seen Mormons on here said this "Rock' is REVELATION--that Jesus will build His church on REVELATION. Which is what JS taught later on. Thus, once again, contradicting himself. No wonder the LDS church has to twist itself into a theological pretzel, to try to get around all of the contradictions!
                                "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
                                "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
                                Its easy to fool a man, but nearly impossible to convince him he's been fooled. --Mark Twain."
                                "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
                                "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
                                "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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