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The Book of Mormon versus Joseph Smith

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  • Ivanhoe
    started a topic The Book of Mormon versus Joseph Smith

    The Book of Mormon versus Joseph Smith

    The Book of Mormon completely contradicts Joseph Smith on God is an Exalted man, he is three gods and The rock is revelation

    "God himself was



    once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder



    heavens. That is the great secret... …I am going to tell you how God came to be



    God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will



    refute that idea
    , and take away the veil, so that you may see. … It is the



    first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and



    to know...that he was once a man like us.... Here, then, is eternal life - to



    know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods



    yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done



    before you... (“King Follett Discourse,” Journal of Discourses 6:3-4, also in



    Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-346, and History of the Church, vol.



    6, 305-307,)"











    As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.



    Author: Lorenzo Snow



    Source: Gospel Through The Ages



    Chapter: 43



    Page: 105











    Moroni 7:22 For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting , behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.











    2 Nephi 27:23



    For behold, I am god; and I am a God of miracles; and I will show unto the world that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and I work not among the children of men save it be according to their faith.







    2 Nephi 29:9



    And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.











    Moroni 8:18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.















    Mormon 9:9 For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever , and in him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing?







    Mormon 9:19



    And if there were miracles wrought then, why has God ceased to be a God of miracles and yet be an unchanging Being? And behold, I say unto you he changeth not; if so he would cease to be God; and he ceaseth not to be God, and is a God of miracles.”











    2 Nephi 19:9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.







    Moroni 7:22



    For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.















    By these things we know that there is a God in heaven, who is infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting the same unchangeable God, the framer of heaven and earth, and all things which are in them; D&C 20:17







    "I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods," (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370)







    2 Nephi 31:



    21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.







    Alma 11:



    44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.











    Mormon 7:



    7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.







    The Testimony of Three Witnesses



    And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.



    Oliver Cowdery



    David Whitmer



    Martin Harris







    1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.







    Doctrine and Covenants 20 :



    28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.







    Book of Moses 1:



    6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.







    John was a priest after the order of Aaron, and he held keys of the priesthood, and came forth preaching repentance and baptism, for the remission of sins, but at the same time cries out, "There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose," and Christ came according to the words of John, and he was greater than John, because he held the keys of the Melchizedek Priesthood and kingdom of God, and had before revealed the priesthood to Moses; yet Christ was baptized by John to fulfill all righteousness; and Jesus in his teaching says: "Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." What rock? Revelation.(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 273-74. )







    Helaman 5:12



    12 And now, my sons, remember, remember that it is upon the rock of our Redeemer, who is Christ, the Son of God, that ye must build your foundation; that when the devil shall send forth his mighty winds, yea, his shafts in the whirlwind, yea, when all his hail and his mighty storm shall beat upon you, it shall have no power over you to drag you down to the gulf of misery and endless wo, because of the rock upon which ye are built, which is a sure foundation, a foundation whereon if men build they cannot fall.

  • zerinus
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

    So show us where the Book of Mormon says that God was once a man, and that you can become a god.
    Show me where it says that you can't.

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    Originally posted by zerinus View Post

    Nothing Joseph Smith taught contradicts the Book of Mormon.
    So show us where the Book of Mormon says that God was once a man, and that you can become a god.

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  • zerinus
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
    Is the Book of Mormon right when it says God always existed, or is Smith right when he said God had to learn to be god as all gods before him?
    Nothing Joseph Smith taught contradicts the Book of Mormon.

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    Is the Book of Mormon right when it says God always existed, or is Smith right when he said God had to learn to be god as all gods before him?

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  • zerinus
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    Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post
    I don't make false statements
    Neither do I.

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  • Ivanhoe
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    Originally posted by zerinus View Post

    Why don't you ask yourself that?
    I don't make false statements

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  • zerinus
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    Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post
    Do you think repeating this false statement will make it TRUE
    Why don't you ask yourself that?

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  • Ivanhoe
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    Originally posted by zerinus View Post

    The Book of Mormon is true. It is the word of God. And everything in it is Mormon doctrine.
    Do you think repeating this false statement will make it TRUE

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  • zerinus
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    Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post

    Most of The Book of Mormon completely contradicts Mormonism it would be an anomally for it to agree with LDS
    The Book of Mormon is true. It is the word of God. And everything in it is Mormon doctrine.

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  • Ivanhoe
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    Originally posted by zerinus View Post

    Say what you like. The answer is the same. The Book of Mormon is true. It is the word of God. And everything in it is Mormon doctrine.
    Most of The Book of Mormon completely contradicts Mormonism it would be an anomally for it to agree with LDS




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  • zerinus
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    Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post

    Not close to the TRUTH zerinus
    Say what you like. The answer is the same. The Book of Mormon is true. It is the word of God. And everything in it is Mormon doctrine.

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  • Ivanhoe
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    Originally posted by zerinus View Post

    The answer remains the same. The Book of Mormon is true. It is the word of God. And everything in it is Mormon doctrine.

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  • zerinus
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    Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

    Including the Trinity? Remember, it says in several places that "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" are "one God." That is the Trinity, pure and simple. And what about where it says there is only one God? Is that true as well?
    Already answered. Wasting time. Nothing more to add.

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  • zerinus
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    Originally posted by Ivanhoe View Post
    The Trinity was taught by Joseph Smith pre-1835
    The answer remains the same. The Book of Mormon is true. It is the word of God. And everything in it is Mormon doctrine.

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