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    Mormonism and Why it is based on Fiction

    Searching for truth? Well, if you're looking in Mormonism, you are searching in the wrong place. Watch this video, and if you are a Mormon, try to refute it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P17...&feature=share

  • JustaLurker
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

    Okay, so you are trying to say Jews turned to human sacrifice in the New World. And they were Lamanites? American Indians. The only civilizations in the New World who came near to practicing human sacrifice have been proven to be non-Jews by DNA. Could you tell us what tribes those were? And that these same Lamanites built pagan temples dedicated to animal-like deities? Okay, and all this in about 600 years, right? After Jews for thousands of years stood for monotheism? Do you have any proof that Jews turned to cannibalistic human sacrifice in the New World? Maybe a Torah in a temple? Something significant like that, or are you only borrowing the history of those we know dwelled in Guatemala and other parts of Meso-america? And please quote some non-Mormons to confirm this. Or, Lloyd, are you trying to get over on people here who have never studied Mesoamerican archaeology, as have I?


    You made up most of that.

    The Jews were not, for the most part, Lamanites. The Lamanites were not Jews.

    ĒThe only civilizations who came near to practicing human sacrifice...Ē
    That was foolish. ďCame near toĒ doesnít describe it.

    ď...have been proven to be non-Jews.Ē
    Thatís nonsense. DNA doesnít prove someone to be a non-Jew.

    You were shocked that Jews would intermingle with other faiths and follow strange Gods? You obviously arenít terribly familiar with the Bible. King Solomon is a good example of Jews who did exactly that.

    You donít know or understand DNA.
    You donít know or understand the Bible.
    You donít know or understand Jews.
    You donít know or understand the Book of Mormon.
    And you donít know or understand mesoamerican history.
    Last edited by JustaLurker; 07-20-18, 06:58 PM.

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  • CTR-Lloyd
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

    Where are Nephite/Lamanite artifacts? I have many artifacts from the Mimbres. Surely you can produce one pottery shard from the Nephites. In case you aren't aware of this fact, each tribe had distinctive mixes for pottery, fired differently, and engraved different designs. Since these Nephites were from the Middle East, we should be finding artifacts resembling Hebrew pottery, etc. Where are they in the New World?
    Since we do not know the exact location of the cities that the nephites and lamanites inhabited, we donít know what would be nephites or lamanites pottery.

    Here though is a region many Mormons think could be a place that the Book of Mormon people lived for a time.

    They are finding potsherds here. https://ldsmag.com/photoessay/i-dig-bountiful-in-oman/

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    Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post

    Lol. If you know yours, narrow it down to what you want me to answer.
    Where are Nephite/Lamanite artifacts? I have many artifacts from the Mimbres. Surely you can produce one pottery shard from the Nephites. In case you aren't aware of this fact, each tribe had distinctive mixes for pottery, fired differently, and engraved different designs. Since these Nephites were from the Middle East, we should be finding artifacts resembling Hebrew pottery, etc. Where are they in the New World?

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  • CTR-Lloyd
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

    Not too many questions for a person who knows the subject.
    Lol. If you know yours, narrow it down to what you want me to answer.

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    Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post
    thats way too many questions in one post.

    What do you really want to know, or have me explain.
    Not too many questions for a person who knows the subject.

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  • CTR-Lloyd
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

    Okay, so you are trying to say Jews turned to human sacrifice in the New World. And they were Lamanites? American Indians. The only civilizations in the New World who came near to practicing human sacrifice have been proven to be non-Jews by DNA. Could you tell us what tribes those were? And that these same Lamanites built pagan temples dedicated to animal-like deities? Okay, and all this in about 600 years, right? After Jews for thousands of years stood for monotheism? Do you have any proof that Jews turned to cannibalistic human sacrifice in the New World? Maybe a Torah in a temple? Something significant like that, or are you only borrowing the history of those we know dwelled in Guatemala and other parts of Meso-america? And please quote some non-Mormons to confirm this. Or, Lloyd, are you trying to get over on people here who have never studied Mesoamerican archaeology, as have I?
    thats way too many questions in one post.

    What do you really want to know, or have me explain.

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  • CTR-Lloyd
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

    Why? They are no less real than Nephites?
    Clever

    after you die you will meet some lamanites and Nephites, then you will know, Or you may think they are just tricking you.

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    Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post
    in Alma 14 Nephites hurl women and children into fire to burn them alive, they are sacrificing them to the idol of man, and the god of self.

    in other Parts lamanites are performing ritual sacrifice to false gods.

    We dont contend that Lamanites are relatives or Share DNA with Mayans, or American first people’s.

    We used to say say these things. We are leaning more and correcting false teachings.

    We were ignorant 100 years ago of DNA testing, population studies, Multiple migrations and so many other things.

    What I’m excited for is the continuing knowledge that is constantly being unearthed.

    El Mirador is just one site, among others that are sure to come.

    The earth hides secrets very well, but it can and will give them up.

    We cannot prove a DNA link to any American Civilization. The DNA of a small group is impossible to trace after many generations have passed.

    We are also not in the business of scientific proofs we are trying to save souls via the spirit.


    Okay, so you are trying to say Jews turned to human sacrifice in the New World. And they were Lamanites? American Indians. The only civilizations in the New World who came near to practicing human sacrifice have been proven to be non-Jews by DNA. Could you tell us what tribes those were? And that these same Lamanites built pagan temples dedicated to animal-like deities? Okay, and all this in about 600 years, right? After Jews for thousands of years stood for monotheism? Do you have any proof that Jews turned to cannibalistic human sacrifice in the New World? Maybe a Torah in a temple? Something significant like that, or are you only borrowing the history of those we know dwelled in Guatemala and other parts of Meso-america? And please quote some non-Mormons to confirm this. Or, Lloyd, are you trying to get over on people here who have never studied Mesoamerican archaeology, as have I?
    Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 07-20-18, 10:11 AM.

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    Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post

    Hobbits! Lol you are funny!
    Why? They are no less real than Nephites?

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  • CTR-Lloyd
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
    Still looking, folks, for one Nephite shard. Next Mormons will be searching for Hobbits in Guatemala!
    Hobbits! Lol you are funny!

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  • CTR-Lloyd
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

    Or one could be honest about Mormon, 4, and say that it was the LAMANITES who supposedly practiced human sacrifice. Are you owning that? So, you are trying to tell us that the Maya were actually Lamanites and that human sacrifices are to be imputed to a bunch of Jewish apostates? Got it, Lloyd. I'm sure you share that information with the Native Americans you've seduced into believing they are Lamanites, right?

    And, of course, then DNA results should indicate that the Maya are descended from Middle Easterners. Do you have that evidence Lloyd?
    in Alma 14 Nephites hurl women and children into fire to burn them alive, they are sacrificing them to the idol of man, and the god of self.

    in other Parts lamanites are performing ritual sacrifice to false gods.

    We dont contend that Lamanites are relatives or Share DNA with Mayans, or American first peopleís.

    We used to say say these things. We are leaning more and correcting false teachings.

    We were ignorant 100 years ago of DNA testing, population studies, Multiple migrations and so many other things.

    What Iím excited for is the continuing knowledge that is constantly being unearthed.

    El Mirador is just one site, among others that are sure to come.

    The earth hides secrets very well, but it can and will give them up.

    We cannot prove a DNA link to any American Civilization. The DNA of a small group is impossible to trace after many generations have passed.

    We are also not in the business of scientific proofs we are trying to save souls via the spirit.



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    Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post
    Or you could read the Book of Mormon and understand that the Nephites were idolatrous at times, and that they practiced human sacrifice. The text of the Book of Mormon contains the it.
    Or one could be honest about Mormon, 4, and say that it was the LAMANITES who supposedly practiced human sacrifice. Are you owning that? So, you are trying to tell us that the Maya were actually Lamanites and that human sacrifices are to be imputed to a bunch of Jewish apostates? Got it, Lloyd. I'm sure you share that information with the Native Americans you've seduced into believing they are Lamanites, right?

    And, of course, then DNA results should indicate that the Maya are descended from Middle Easterners. Do you have that evidence Lloyd?
    Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 07-19-18, 09:53 AM.

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    Still looking, folks, for one Nephite shard. Next Mormons will be searching for Hobbits in Guatemala!

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  • CTR-Lloyd
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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

    Give us any archaeological proof that some pre-classic Mayan site has anything to do with a Jewish/Hebrew immigration, and give us the time frame. Your dating is off. And so is your archaeology, unless you want to make Nephites pagan, human-sacrificing idol worshipers. Show us some scientific evidence - you are no archaeologist are you? And I mean a non-Mormon source. I get very tired of the Mormon claim of expertise in all things. Words are cheap. Let's see hard scientific evidence.

    And by the way, the satellite discovery in Guatamala is still Mayan, but you classify it as "pre-classic." So what if it's pre-classic? You are the people saying that all archaeological evidence of the Nephites vanished in the jungles, right? But the minute they discover a Mayan site, there you guys are with Mormon excessive panting, claiming, "here are the Nephites." Unless you want to make the Maya into Jews who practiced human sacrifice, Lloyd, I suggest you actually study the subject instead of listening to groups like "the Nephi Project."

    To claim this site, you must justify the many idols. Can you? ROFL.
    Or you could read the Book of Mormon and understand that the Nephites were idolatrous at times, and that they practiced human sacrifice. The text of the Book of Mormon contains the it.

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