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Is Satan the brother of Jesus, creates everything?

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  • Is Satan the brother of Jesus, creates everything?

    Satan is Lucifer, one of the highest in the Pantheon of the Exalted Cherubim. Angels are not dead, it is found in folk religions (Joseph Smith seems to believe that Mormons are doing the same now). Wanting to be like God, Satan rose, and one third of the heavenly army was driven out of heaven.

    So, if Jesus created everything in heaven, including the Pantheon of Angels, how can Satan become a brother of Jesus? Does this verse speak the truth? : Colossians 1:16.

    16 Because all his creations (Jesus) are in heaven, on earth, tangible and intangible, whether it be power, dominance or justice or power: everything is created by him, he: Or Jesus is the creator of all who exist, or Joseph Smith is right. Jesus is only the brother of Satan and the brother of all people, and thus a creature like us. Is the Bible or Smith correct?
    Last edited by jonathanm; 08-04-18, 06:39 PM.

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    Originally posted by jonathanm View Post
    Satan is Lucifer, one of the highest in the Pantheon of the Exalted Cherubim. Angels are not dead, it is found in folk religions (Joseph Smith seems to believe that Mormons are doing the same now). Wanting to be like God, Satan rose, and one third of the heavenly army was driven out of heaven.

    So, if Jesus created everything in heaven, including the Pantheon of Angels, how can Satan become a brother of Jesus? Does this verse speak the truth? : Colossians 1:16.

    16 Because all his creations (Jesus) are in heaven, on earth, tangible and intangible, whether it be power, dominance or justice or power: everything is created by him, he: Or Jesus is the creator of all who exist, or Joseph Smith is right. Jesus is only the brother of Satan and the brother of all people, and thus a creature like us. Is the Bible or Smith correct?
    Answer... JS is correct... and you dismiss the evidence that Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God in the Flesh... a real problem for trinitarians... and your basic understanding of creating is ex-nihilo another doctrine that is a impossibility...
    A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jonathanm View Post
      Satan is Lucifer, one of the highest in the Pantheon of the Exalted Cherubim. Angels are not dead, it is found in folk religions (Joseph Smith seems to believe that Mormons are doing the same now). Wanting to be like God, Satan rose, and one third of the heavenly army was driven out of heaven.

      So, if Jesus created everything in heaven, including the Pantheon of Angels, how can Satan become a brother of Jesus? Does this verse speak the truth? : Colossians 1:16.

      16 Because all his creations (Jesus) are in heaven, on earth, tangible and intangible, whether it be power, dominance or justice or power: everything is created by him, he: Or Jesus is the creator of all who exist, or Joseph Smith is right. Jesus is only the brother of Satan and the brother of all people, and thus a creature like us. Is the Bible or Smith correct?
      What the above Mormon is saying Jonathanm is that their heavenly father god, a god of flesh and bones, had sex with Mary and produced Jesus. It's evil and disgusting.
      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

        What the above Mormon is saying Jonathanm is that their heavenly father god, a god of flesh and bones, had sex with Mary and produced Jesus. It's evil and disgusting.
        Just another made up talking point jonatham ... not one core teaching has that as a doctrine reality... not one... only agenda seekers would ever make that claim...
        A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jonathanm View Post
          Satan is Lucifer, one of the highest in the Pantheon of the Exalted Cherubim. Angels are not dead, it is found in folk religions (Joseph Smith seems to believe that Mormons are doing the same now). Wanting to be like God, Satan rose, and one third of the heavenly army was driven out of heaven.

          So, if Jesus created everything in heaven, including the Pantheon of Angels, how can Satan become a brother of Jesus? Does this verse speak the truth? : Colossians 1:16.

          16 Because all his creations (Jesus) are in heaven, on earth, tangible and intangible, whether it be power, dominance or justice or power: everything is created by him, he: Or Jesus is the creator of all who exist, or Joseph Smith is right. Jesus is only the brother of Satan and the brother of all people, and thus a creature like us. Is the Bible or Smith correct?
          The question still has not been answered. How is Jesus the creator of all things if he didn't actually create anything of it? Did he create the Empire State building? Did he create apple pie or the American dream? If so, how.

          I think, once we answer that question, we might be able to determine how it is that Satan can be his brother (though not literally - as in not begotten). You assume that God created angels. I say he didn't. There are lots of things that God, Jesus, didn't create.
          "...for now is our salvation nearer to us than when we believed." Romans 13:11 -- What else must be done to move past belief? Faith is belief in action. It is works unto salvation.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BrotherofJared View Post
            The question still has not been answered. How is Jesus the creator of all things if he didn't actually create anything of it? Did he create the Empire State building? Did he create apple pie or the American dream? If so, how.

            I think, once we answer that question, we might be able to determine how it is that Satan can be his brother (though not literally - as in not begotten). You assume that God created angels. I say he didn't. There are lots of things that God, Jesus, didn't create.
            Good post... looking forward to their answers.... or their feeble attempt to answer...
            A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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