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Deception and Lying Among the Mormons

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  • Deception and Lying Among the Mormons

    Proverbs 19:9

    A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.



    For Joseph Smith, lying was just as simple as the act of breathing. Unfortunately, we often encounter "lying" by his followers here on CARM. They will post something, then deny it, hoping you won't be able to produce it. It's part of their game. Dealing with the Mormon mindset about lying for their "lord," is often difficult, and time consuming. Since Christians look upon lying as a sin, they are also not used to "religious" people simply playing fast and loose with facts. This article deals with Joseph Smith's lying, and he is the model for Mormons:

    http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm



    He likewise fulfilled the prophecy found in Proverbs 19:9.
    Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 08-11-18, 10:47 AM.
    Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
    Proverbs 19:9

    A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.


    For Joseph Smith, lying was just as simple as the act of breathing. Unfortunately, we often encounter "lying" by his followers here on CARM. They will post something, then deny it, hoping you won't be able to produce it. It's part of their game. Dealing with the Mormon mindset about lying for their "lord," is often difficult, and time consuming. Since Christians look upon lying as a sin, they are also not used to "religious" people simply playing fast and loose with facts. This article deals with Joseph Smith's lying, and he is the model for Mormons:

    http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm


    He likewise fulfilled the prophecy found in Proverbs 19:9.
    LOL! That kind of stuff against the Book of Mormon doesn't stand a chance. The Book of Mormon wins hands down every time. Joseph Smith was a great prophet, and the Book of Mormon a witness to it.
    zerinus
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    I am a Mormon!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by zerinus View Post

      LOL! That kind of stuff against the Book of Mormon doesn't stand a chance. The Book of Mormon wins hands down every time. Joseph Smith was a great prophet, and the Book of Mormon a witness to it.
      What has the Book of Mormon "won" in terms of reality? Most boring book every written by a con-man? The "how fake history can be made into a money-making religion?" prize? Or, how a non-existent people floated to America in subs fairy tale?
      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

        What has the Book of Mormon "won" in terms of reality? Most boring book every written by a con-man? The "how fake history can be made into a money-making religion?" prize? Or, how a non-existent people floated to America in subs fairy tale?
        It is your word against mine---and of thousands of others who know better. The Book of Mormon is true; it is the word of God; and that makes Joseph Smith a true prophet.
        zerinus
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        I am a Mormon!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by zerinus View Post

          It is your word against mine---and of thousands of others who know better. The Book of Mormon is true; it is the word of God; and that makes Joseph Smith a true prophet.
          Assuming you are correct about the BoM being divine word, how does that make Smith a true prophet? To my knowledge, the BoM does not attest to Smith's visions or calling in any way, and he was a "translator" of the text. Moroni was supposedly the last prophet to contribute to the text. Just trying to understand your logic here ...
          Last edited by Curious Joe; 08-11-18, 05:24 PM.
          Though the godless poured poison in to your veins, your heart still beats with love for Christ,
          O bishop Theodore, martyred father, who now raise your prayers before the Throne of God.

          [Kontakion of Blessed Theodore (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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          • #6
            Originally posted by zerinus View Post

            It is your word against mine---and of thousands of others who know better. The Book of Mormon is true; it is the word of God; and that makes Joseph Smith a true prophet.
            No, it is the world of academia and intellect against you, zerinus. You might as well be saying Grimm's Fairy Tales are true.
            Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

              Assuming you are correct about the BoM being divine word, how does that make Smith a true prophet? To my knowledge, the BoM does not attest to Smith's visions or calling in any way, and he was a "translator" of the text. Moroni was supposedly the last prophet to contribute to the text. Just trying to understand your logic here ...
              The Book of Mormon came by revelation through Joseph Smith. That makes Joseph Smith a prophet. A prophet is somebody who receives revelation from God, and convey's God's message to man, which is what Joseph Smith did.
              zerinus
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              I am a Mormon!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by zerinus View Post

                The Book of Mormon came by revelation through Joseph Smith. That makes Joseph Smith a prophet. A prophet is somebody who receives revelation from God, and convey's God's message to man, which is what Joseph Smith did.
                What revelation? Wasn't the Book of Mormon already written?
                Though the godless poured poison in to your veins, your heart still beats with love for Christ,
                O bishop Theodore, martyred father, who now raise your prayers before the Throne of God.

                [Kontakion of Blessed Theodore (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by zerinus View Post

                  The Book of Mormon came by revelation through Joseph Smith. That makes Joseph Smith a prophet. A prophet is somebody who receives revelation from God, and convey's God's message to man, which is what Joseph Smith did.
                  It came by Joey boy staring at a rock in a hat, the same way he received "revelations" about buried treasures. How can anybody think beyond their nose and follow this guy?
                  Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

                    What revelation? Wasn't the Book of Mormon already written?
                    It was written amd hidden, to come forth by revelation at the time appointed by the Lord.
                    zerinus
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                    I am a Mormon!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

                      It came by Joey boy staring at a rock in a hat, the same way he received "revelations" about buried treasures. How can anybody think beyond their nose and follow this guy?
                      By reading the book, and examining it's contents.
                      zerinus
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by zerinus View Post

                        By reading the book, and examining it's contents.
                        You deny that he used a seer stone in a hat to "translate" the non-existent Reformed Egyptian language off of gold plates?
                        Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

                          You deny that he used a seer stone in a hat to "translate" the non-existent Reformed Egyptian language off of gold plates?
                          I don't think anyone saw a denial in his post except you.

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                          • #14
                            It's very sad that science and archaeology are completely disowned by the Mormons - facts which prove beyond a doubt that the BoM is nothing but fiction. Although, some educated Mormons, including one who used to post here, would agree that the book is probably "pious fiction."
                            Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 08-12-18, 10:23 AM.
                            Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

                              I don't think anyone saw a denial in his post except you.
                              Anybody following the thread, and not here to simply interrupt with the intent to interfere with non-pertinent remarks, would conclude that that was EVASION. Shall I explain that to you?

                              So taking actual facts into consideration isn't important when examining the authenticity of the BoM, right? Just pray about it. As if Mormons have some supernatural ability to discern truth, before they are even baptized, right?

                              As we've seen here repeatedly, Mormon "experts" are no experts at all, regardless of their pretense to know everything.
                              Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 08-12-18, 10:27 AM.
                              Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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