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OH MY, the Book of Mormon is proven false by LIDAR.

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  • OH MY, the Book of Mormon is proven false by LIDAR.

    While we all can laugh at the outlandish claims and grasping of straws that we see among Mormons here and in those who follow PSEUDO-ARCHAEOLOGY, it appears that all their hysterics is for nothing. LiDar has proven the Book of Mormon to be FALSE. I've always said that no Christian here should take for granted anything posted by a Mormon. Always double check. Mormons play fast and loose with what they think is "proof" of their childish book. I've had one Mormon here use Brigham Young to prove that Joey the Liar paid off all his debts, when his bankruptcy listed many thousands of dollars of debts he never paid. Mormons appealing to Mormons is always bad news. Now, the poster here who acclaimed LiDar as proof of the Mormon version of Mesoamerican history appealed to Mormon sites. If he had done any research, knew the time frame of the Maya, and had studied something more than Mormon "pseudo-archaeology" advocates he might have found out that there are four ways that the BoM has been proven false by LiDar, and here they are:

    "1, (1) The discovery highlights the cultural advancement of the population, reaching a peak between at around 900AD. The Book of Mormon people flamed out around 400AD, leaving nothing but the degenerate Lamanites. In fact Moroni says the following in Mormon 8:2 “And now it came to pass that after the great and tremendous battle at Cumorah, behold, the Nephites who had escaped into the country southward were hunted by the Lamanites, until they were all destroyed.”

    and

    "2. (2) The discovery has revolutionized our understanding of the size of the Maya population. In fact, the belief previously was that the population was just a few million people. From the article: “‘Most people had been comfortable with population estimates of around 5 million,’ said Estrada-Belli, who directs a multi-disciplinary archaeological project at Holmul, Guatemala. ‘With this new data it’s no longer unreasonable to think that there were 10 to 15 million people there—including many living in low-lying, swampy areas that many of us had thought uninhabitable.’”

    So why is this a problem for the Book of Mormon? I mean this might actually prove the Nephites were the Maya. One slight problem though, deoxyribonucleic acid, also known as DNA. The recent Gospel Topic Essays produced by the LDS church admits that there is ZERO DNA evidence for the Book of Mormon. In fact, the argument is now literally: “Scientists do not rule out the possibility of additional, small-scale migrations to the Americas.” or stated more plainly, “the Lehites were such a small group, their DNA was wiped out by much larger populations.

    This National Geographic article is stating that at a minimum, the Maya were one of these larger populations, and therefore definitely NOT the Lehites."

    and

    "3(3) From the article: “The ancient Maya never used the wheel or beasts of burden, yet ‘this was a civilization that was literally moving mountains,’ said Marcello Canuto, a Tulane University archaeologist and National Geographic Explorer who participated in the project.”

    So here we have an archaeologist who is on the project, and who has just made this major discovery. Yet he comes straight out and highlights one of the MAJOR anachronisms from the Book of Mormon. In Alma 18:9 “And they said unto him: Behold, he is feeding thy horses. Now the king had commanded his servants, previous to the time of the watering of their flocks, that they should prepare his horses and chariots, and conduct him forth to the land of Nephi; for there had been a great feast appointed at the land of Nephi, by the father of Lamoni, who was king over all the land.”

    So the whole loan-shifting argument simply doesn’t work. I don’t care if a horse is supposed to be a tapir or some other deer. There is zero evidence for wheels or beasts of burden. Game over, you lost, give it up!"

    and

    "4(4) Finally, this point is more about what is not discussed in the Book of Mormon than what is. Nowhere in the Book of Mormon do the Lamanites address the challenges of living in a tropical environment. In fact, Nephi specifically talks about driven snow“, indicating that the author had some familiarity with blizzard-like conditions. Another example is in Alma 10:22 where Amulek discusses the floods of Noah, suggesting that this was the most relatable flood-like history, “yet it would not be by flood, as were the people in the days of Noah”.

    This article, in contrast, highlights the impressive discovery of the vast causeways, reservoirs and irrigation systems developed to manage the water that comes during the rainy season and is absent during the dry season. Clearly the Maya were familiar with the changing climate, and knew the importance and dangers of water."

    Well, if Mormons are so foolish to believe in "driven snow" in CENTRAL AMERICA they are worse off than I thought. Furthermore, even paleo tribes in our country diverted water by canals developed in alluvial fields, and in city structures. Wow, this must prove the Nephites were Anasazi or Mogollon, right?

    So much for the Mormon "oh mys." I think, "oh no" would be a better description of the Mormon reaction to actual technology. Childish people grabbing at straws, and finding the straws are broken twigs.



    Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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    Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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    • #3
      Gee, why isn't some savvy Mormon giving us a response? Could it be because they have no answers? Only hyperbolic comments that don't deal with reality, but Mormon mythology. "Oh, Lidar proves there were people in Tikal - gosh that proves the Book of Mormon."
      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
        Gee, why isn't some savvy Mormon giving us a response? Could it be because they have no answers? Only hyperbolic comments that don't deal with reality, but Mormon mythology. "Oh, Lidar proves there were people in Tikal - gosh that proves the Book of Mormon."
        LOL!!! And Mormon Rod (there's only one Cumorah) Meldrum would disagree as well. IOW, who cares what LIDAR found south of the Mason-Dixon line when Meldrum places the alleged peoples of the BoM in the Ohio river valley. LOL!!!
        "You have just constructed a straw man so large you could burn it in the desert and hold an annoying festival around it"


        "One's personal world view can be so powerful that it blinds them to any evidence that contradicts it"

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        • #5
          And another one bites the dust...this post is not going to go anywhere... I predict it will last about one day... chuckle...


          Another one bites the dust
          Another one bites the dust

          And another one gone, and another one gone
          Another one bites the dust, yeah
          Hey, I'm gonna get you, too
          Another one bites the dust

          Queen.
          A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ralf View Post
            And another one bites the dust...this post is not going to go anywhere... I predict it will last about one day... chuckle...


            Another one bites the dust
            Another one bites the dust

            And another one gone, and another one gone
            Another one bites the dust, yeah
            Hey, I'm gonna get you, too
            Another one bites the dust

            Queen.
            Well, you are a false prophet then - you and Joey Smith! Is "Queen" a source of Mormon hymnology? Maybe it should be, because that song could well be applied to your cult! However, thanks for showing us once again the "quality" of the responses we should expect from the Mormons. Do you recall the supposed Mormon "scholar" who used to try and intimidate people here with big words, but resorted to calling Christians "the peanut gallery." Where is he now? The mighty mouth that roared! But then, Ralf, I realize that you have no models of integrity to follow in your cult, so you might want to at least make an attempt to respond in some academic way - you can do it, just apply yourself a little.
            Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 09-11-18, 10:18 AM.
            Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
              Gee, why isn't some savvy Mormon giving us a response? Could it be because they have no answers? Only hyperbolic comments that don't deal with reality, but Mormon mythology. "Oh, Lidar proves there were people in Tikal - gosh that proves the Book of Mormon."
              900 AD? Ok that’s fine

              were you aware of the practice that Mayans had of building larger temples overtop of smaller ones?

              So the older Archeology is underneath.

              You bring up apparent anachronisms.

              These ones used to be... until they were not anymore...

              - use of precious metals for records
              - cement highways
              - massive populations and cities
              - fortifications
              - violent warfare
              - armor
              - seafaring people
              - knowledge of astronomy
              - complex social structure
              - stone storage boxes
              - importance of honey and beekeeping
              - stingless bee
              - cities deluged and covered in water
              - evidence of cataclysmic volcanoes

              So for your little grievances we just wait.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
                Gee, why isn't some savvy Mormon giving us a response? Could it be because they have no answers? Only hyperbolic comments that don't deal with reality, but Mormon mythology. "Oh, Lidar proves there were people in Tikal - gosh that proves the Book of Mormon."
                I guess I was wrong, maybe there is more that needs to be discussed such as why do Extremist and Ex-mormons run from (meaning complete denial) the idea that Archeologist are now changing their minds for reasons that new technology shows they have been mislead by existing evidence and now are discovering their is a whole lot more going on that just never use to add up...

                Along comes the Book of Mormon, way before any discoveries were made in Mesoamerica and give us a history that the critics claim could never have happened in the new discovered ruins in and around Mesoamerica.... small cities, small population, peaceful people, no evidence of metal, cement or animals of burden... no barley, no hidden or buried cities and no history per say....


                This discovery tells me that, as the human race, we know a lot less than we think we know. This new LiDAR technology just turned decades of scientific thought on its head. What was previously agreed upon to be impossible is now a reality.

                “Central America supported an advanced civilization that was … more comparable to sophisticated cultures such as ancient Greece or China than to the scattered and sparsely populated city states that ground-based research had long suggested,” Nat Geo reports.

                Suddenly, in 2018, concepts like ancient advanced agriculture, road systems, and much denser populations in Central America are becoming widely accepted.

                “Among the most surprising findings was the ubiquity of defensive walls, ramparts, terraces, and fortresses. ‘Warfare wasn’t only happening toward the end of the civilization, said Garrison [a National Geographic Explorer]. It was large-scale and systematic, and it endured over many years.


                https://mormonhub.com/blog/faith/scr...polis-mormons/
                A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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