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Spalding MANUSCRIPTS in the plural, got it Mormons?

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  • #16
    Has anyone pointed out to antis that a multi-page manuscript document could have been described as manuscripts?
    A useful lie would not be against God..Satan can completely assume human form-we may lie with the Devil in the shape of a woman..women may think that a man is in bed with them yet ’tis the Devil; the result is an imp,half mortal,half devil (Luther)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
      Did Spalding write One manuscript, or several? Undeniable proof from those who lived in that era, is that "Manuscript Found" was just one of several. For instance:

      "The evidence is cumulative from this on, for many years. And now a surviving witness of those times has come to add testimony which ought to be final. Mr. James A. Briggs writes from Brooklyn to The Watchman of the 9th instant that in 1833-34 he was one of a self-appointed committee that met in Mentor, O., the former parish of the apostate Rigdon, and close to the "Zion" which the Saints had set up at Kirtland, to investigate the origin of the Book of Mormon. His article is long and interesting throughout; but the pith and point of it are in his first paragraph as follows: "We had the manuscripts of Rev. Solomon Spaulding before us [italics ours], that we compared with the Mormon Bible; and we had no doubt that from Spaulding's writings Rev. Sidney Rigdon got up the Mormon Bible." This conclusion he supports by a lengthy recital of facts and arguments that cannot be broken. He has a copy of the Honolulu find, as printed at Lamoni, and [avers] emphatically that "this is not a copy of the 'Manuscript Found, of Solomon Spaulding."

      The deceitful Mormon claim that they have "Manuscript Found," written by Spalding is spurious. The have "A" manuscript, and that is all. So tired of having to deal with the deceit of this horrendous cult. There is evidence that "Manuscript Found" was sold to the Mormons by Hurlbut. I wouldn't be surprised. The Oberlain manuscript is "Manuscript Story," not "Manuscript Found."

      see: http://www.truthandgrace.com/1886MCHerald0916.htm
      There never was any other Solomon manuscript, other than the one testified to by Matilda Davison, Solomon Spaulding's widow--which she testified Philastus Hurlbert removed from her "hair trunk" and took back to Palmyra. That very manuscript, found in 1884, by L.L. Rice-- was the very one Hurlbert remove from the hair trunk--as Philastus Hurlbut's signature was found on the back of the manuscript--and can be verified to this day.

      One other note here--anyone who wrote the Solomon Spaulding manuscript would not be capable of writing a book as complicated as the Book of Mormon. As L.L. Rice testified to--and any would, who have read the Solomon Spaulding manuscript---any 12 year old boy could write a better story than the Solomon Spaulding manuscript--and couch it in far better English.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by NRA-Jeff View Post
        Has anyone pointed out to antis that a multi-page manuscript document could have been described as manuscripts?
        So a book manuscript made up of 400 pages is 400 manuscripts, and not one?
        "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
        "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
        “It’s easy to fool a man, but nearly impossible to convince him he's been fooled. --Mark Twain."
        "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
        "If the truth hurts--then it is working."--anonymous

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

          So a book manuscript made up of 400 pages is 400 manuscripts, and not one?
          400 loose pages can be referred to as writing, as writings, as a manuscript, or as manuscripts regardless of the content. A book of 400 pages is usually referred to as a book even if it is a collection of multiple books and letters in a single volume.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

            400 loose pages can be referred to as writing, as writings, as a manuscript, or as manuscripts regardless of the content. A book of 400 pages is usually referred to as a book even if it is a collection of multiple books and letters in a single volume.
            A manuscript is described as the handwritten pages of a book--singular--prior to publishing. A book is made up of multiple pages, But that doesn't mean one book is multiple manuscripts.

            This is just a feeble attempt to discredit what is in the OP.
            "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
            "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
            “It’s easy to fool a man, but nearly impossible to convince him he's been fooled. --Mark Twain."
            "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
            "If the truth hurts--then it is working."--anonymous

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
              For those who actually research things and aren't just born "experts" on everything, I am linking to a PDF written by the authors of The Spalding Enigma," responding to Mormon criticism. On page 28 onward, the subject of the number of manuscripts Spalding wrote is addressed, and affidavits are posted.

              link: http://thedigitalvoice.com/enigma/pd...20rebuttal.pdf

              What are the chances, folks, that a man like Spalding who wrote one romance would never write another? But that's what the Mormon cult wants us to believe........and frankly, we all know that the Mormons will believe what they are told regardless of the fact that the assertion is CHILDISH.
              Hey Catherine, I read the document, and I’ve seen thier massive PowerPoint library that the three people put together.

              I just don’t know where you are on which document Joseph allegedly plagiaraized from.

              Do you think he used Manuscript Lost/Found, or Manuscript Story?

              Or do you subscribe to a theory that he used another manuscript that is really lost?

              It’s just really unclear what you believe here.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

                So a book manuscript made up of 400 pages is 400 manuscripts, and not one?
                To 19th-century yokels with average educations?

                Definitely.
                A useful lie would not be against God..Satan can completely assume human form-we may lie with the Devil in the shape of a woman..women may think that a man is in bed with them yet ’tis the Devil; the result is an imp,half mortal,half devil (Luther)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

                  A manuscript is described as.... the handwritten pages of a book--singular--prior to publishing. A book is made up of multiple pages, But that doesn't mean one book is multiple manuscripts.

                  This is just a feeble attempt to discredit what is in the OP.
                  Seriously? Thatís the only way one can describe a manuscript?

                  A guitar is made of wood. If it isnít made of wood it cannot possibly be a guitar.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

                    Seriously? That’s the only way one can describe a manuscript?

                    A guitar is made of wood. If it isn’t made of wood it cannot possibly be a guitar.
                    Frankly, I don't believe that anybody who alters posts deserves a response. Look, folks, at what this Mormon did to Bonnie's posts.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post
                      Hey Catherine, I read the document, and I’ve seen thier massive PowerPoint library that the three people put together.

                      I just don’t know where you are on which document Joseph allegedly plagiaraized from.

                      Do you think he used Manuscript Lost/Found, or Manuscript Story?

                      Or do you subscribe to a theory that he used another manuscript that is really lost?

                      It’s just really unclear what you believe here.
                      If you read the books, and don't just spout stuff from FAIR, you'd know that the affidavits indicate it was "Mauscript Found" which mentioned Nephites and Zarahemla. The Oberlin College manuscript by Spalding is "Manuscript Story." So, you go figure.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
                        If you read the books, and don't just spout stuff from FAIR, you'd know that the affidavits indicate it was "Mauscript Found" which mentioned Nephites and Zarahemla. The Oberlin College manuscript by Spalding is "Manuscript Story." So, you go figure.
                        Whenever you find any such manuscript with the terms "Nephites" and "Zarahemla"--please let us know.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

                          400 loose pages can be referred to as writing, as writings, as a manuscript, or as manuscripts regardless of the content. A book of 400 pages is usually referred to as a book even if it is a collection of multiple books and letters in a single volume.
                          I cannot believe it! If you know anything about the writing methods used in the early 19th century, you'll see that they didn't write everything on similar paper, but whatever was available: foolscap, etc. . Furthermore, they didn't use three ring binders. However, each group of papers which were part of the same story, were a manuscript, regardless if the paper was loose, of different sizes, or whatever. Furthermore, a published manuscript is referred to as a "book," and it was Rigdon that stole Spalding's manuscript from the print shop. Spalding had wanted it published as a book. The proof you'll find in "The Spalding Enigma" book. Read it.
                          Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 09-17-18, 04:59 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

                            Whenever you find any such manuscript with the terms "Nephites" and "Zarahemla"--please let us know.
                            Well, dberrie, whenever you find anything in the Bible saying "Satan is a real god" let us know too. By the way, the affidavits taken mention Nephites, Lehi, and Zarahemla. Why not read them? By the way, Spalding's own brother was outraged at the plagiarism.
                            Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 09-17-18, 05:09 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

                              I’ll be happy to read the Spaulding manuscript that you claim is the source of the Book of Mormon. Where can I access that?
                              I don't know - It may be buried under a large rock in Palmyra, NY. There's some kind of white salamander hanging out there.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

                                Whenever you find any such manuscript with the terms "Nephites" and "Zarahemla"--please let us know.
                                You realize that many believe Hurlbut needed money and sold it to your cult. If that is true, I doubt it's in existence. We all know what Mormons do with truth.

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