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Was Joseph Smith a Spirit Medium with a Rock?

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  • Was Joseph Smith a Spirit Medium with a Rock?

    Why did Joseph Smith use a stone when he wrote the Book of Mormon?:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSCGrijzVwo

    and

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R53m_lDVftE
    Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 11-04-18, 07:13 PM.
    Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

  • #2
    Wizards that peep.
    ~ There is life after mormonism, and it's good! Just stay close to Christ.
    ~ You can't follow Christ and false prophets at the same time.
    ~ "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Magdalena View Post
      Wizards that peep.
      And they actually teach that their BoM has a "familiar spirit." I mean, really, how obtuse!
      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
        Why did Joseph Smith use a stone when he wrote the Book of Mormon?:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSCGrijzVwo

        and

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R53m_lDVftE
        Joseph didn't need the Seer Stone, it was simply something that helped him. It was a familiar object for folk magic at the time, and was similar to a divining rod in its acceptance.


        From KnowWhy #145 on Book of Mormon Central

        Joseph Smith’s use of such stones needs to be situated in its historical and theological context. The practice of using stones or glass as media to receive divine revelation is a documented practice in many modern and ancient cultures, including among the ancient Israelites and the ancient (as well as modern) Maya. In Joseph Smith’s own day so-called “folk magic” was practiced in rural parts of the United States. This included the use of stones, rods, and other instruments to communicate with spirits, find hidden treasures protected by supernatural guardians, look for lost objects, or even discover sources of water. The Smith family participated in this culture, and Joseph himself had a reputation as a village seer even before he retrieved and translated the plates.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post

          Joseph didn't need the Seer Stone, it was simply something that helped him. It was a familiar object for folk magic at the time, and was similar to a divining rod in its acceptance.


          From KnowWhy #145 on Book of Mormon Central

          Joseph Smith’s use of such stones needs to be situated in its historical and theological context. The practice of using stones or glass as media to receive divine revelation is a documented practice in many modern and ancient cultures, including among the ancient Israelites and the ancient (as well as modern) Maya. In Joseph Smith’s own day so-called “folk magic” was practiced in rural parts of the United States. This included the use of stones, rods, and other instruments to communicate with spirits, find hidden treasures protected by supernatural guardians, look for lost objects, or even discover sources of water. The Smith family participated in this culture, and Joseph himself had a reputation as a village seer even before he retrieved and translated the plates.
          Well, in a way you're right, because Joey saw nothing by the rock. The whole book is a huge scam, and copied from the Spalding manuscript with augmentation and commentary by the witch, Joe.
          Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Magdalena View Post
            Wizards that peep.
            ....and mutter....
            "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
            "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
            "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
            "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
            "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

              Well, in a way you're right, because Joey saw nothing by the rock. The whole book is a huge scam, and copied from the Spalding manuscript with augmentation and commentary by the witch, Joe.
              Lol on the Spaulding manuscript. It has no resemblance to the Book of Mormon.

              Have you read both and compared them?

              There is nothing even similar.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

                ....and mutter....
                Yup, and mutter from the ground as led by their familiar spirit!
                Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

                  And they actually teach that their BoM has a "familiar spirit." I mean, really, how obtuse!
                  Actually its the Bible that uses familiar spirit ... and spoken of... guess you may not understand “familiar spirt” ... hmmm

                  QUESTION: Mormons sometimes say that Isaiah 29:1-4 refers to the Book of Mormon, but this passage includes the phrase "familiar spirit," which is used to designate witchcraft when it is used in the Old Testament.

                  ANSWER: A study by Robert Clowardthat appears in the book Isaiah in the Book of Mormon (ed. Donald W. Parry and John W. Welch. Provo: FARMS, 1998), demonstrates that Isaiah's prophecy in chapter 29 referred to the people at Jerusalem, not to Lehi’s descendants. However in 2 Nephi 27,

                  Nephi continued his established practice of "likening" the words of Isaiah to his own people. In pointing out the relevance of Isaiah's prophecy to his Nephites, he incorporates some of Isaiah's words into his own prophecy of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. The biblical expression "familiar spirit" often refers to a ghost, and the King James Version of the Bible takes great liberty in construing statements about"them that have familiar spirits" as referring to spirit mediums, even when that is not always intended in the Hebrew.The single Hebrew word involved comes through in the KJV in terms like these:

                  "them that have familiar spirits" (Leviticus 19:31; Isaiah 8:19; 19:3)

                  "those that have (or had) familiar spirits" (1 Samuel 28:3, 9)

                  "the workers with familiar spirits" (2 Kings 23:24)

                  "counsel of one that had a familiar spirit" (1 Chronicles 10:13)

                  "familiar spirits" (2 Kings 21:6).

                  However in the case of Isaiah 29:4 the Hebrew is best read as "thy voice shall be as a ghost out of the ground"; it has nothing to do with spirit mediums. The New English Bible version indeed trans- lates it as "ghostlike out of the ground."That fits well with Nephi's intention and use of Isaiah's statement in refer -ence to the record of his own people who would become extinct.


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                  Book of Mormon Answers

                  Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 7/1 (1998): 74.
                  A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CTR-Lloyd View Post
                    Lol on the Spaulding manuscript. It has no resemblance to the Book of Mormon.

                    Have you read both and compared them?

                    There is nothing even similar.
                    Do you actually expect that doing that research, and then doing THEIR OWN thinking (instead of what was shoveled to them by their masters) is a high priority in the cult of extremist antiLDSism?
                    ...whenever a person's religious conversation dwells... on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition-C.S. Lewis

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bonnie View Post

                      ....and mutter....
                      However in the case of Isaiah 29:4 the Hebrew is best read as "thy voice shall be as a ghost out of the ground"; it has nothing to do with spirit mediums.

                      Book of Mormon Answers
                      Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 7/1 (1998): 74.
                      A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NRA-Jeff View Post

                        Do you actually expect that doing that research, and then doing THEIR OWN thinking (instead of what was shoveled to them by their masters) is a high priority in the cult of extremist antiLDSism?
                        Apparently it is not an accepted practice among that type of extremist.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NRA-Jeff View Post

                          Do you actually expect that doing that research, and then doing THEIR OWN thinking (instead of what was shoveled to them by their masters) is a high priority in the cult of extremist antiLDSism?
                          Who are their "masters?"
                          ~ There is life after mormonism, and it's good! Just stay close to Christ.
                          ~ You can't follow Christ and false prophets at the same time.
                          ~ "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Magdalena View Post

                            Who are their "masters?"
                            MormonThink.
                            MRM.
                            UTLM.
                            et al.
                            ...whenever a person's religious conversation dwells... on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition-C.S. Lewis

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NRA-Jeff View Post

                              MormonThink.
                              MRM.
                              UTLM.
                              et al.
                              Now thats funny. I left mormonism before I ever heard of those groups. People can see the truth about mormonism for themselves.
                              ~ There is life after mormonism, and it's good! Just stay close to Christ.
                              ~ You can't follow Christ and false prophets at the same time.
                              ~ "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28

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