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The Biblical Incarnation VS. Mormonism's Pagan Transmigration

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  • The Biblical Incarnation VS. Mormonism's Pagan Transmigration

    Very soon Christians will be celebrating the Incarnation of God in Jesus Christ. Mormons will NOT. Christians believe what the Bible teaches in John 1: "The Word became flesh."

    Let's look at the verses in question:
    John 1:1-14 King James Version (KJV)


    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


    As we can see, the Bible states unequivocally that the WORD WAS GOD. And the Word, God, became flesh. This can only make sense if one believes in the Trinity as taught in the Bible: that God is Father, Son (Word) and Holy Spirit - a Tripersonal Being of One Substance, Power and Glory, manifesting in Three Persons. One Being, Three Persons - and it's a matter of faith to believe this, although our finite minds are too small to grasp the immensity of an Infinite Being Who can be Tripersonal yet Only One. This is the central doctrine of our Christian faith. Without the Word becoming flesh in Jesus Christ, there is no salvation and we are lost in our sins. I've often thought that understanding the Trinity is a sign from God of a person's election to salvation - since it's not an easy belief to wrap one's mind around. And we see that all cults, Mormonism included, are so under the influence of the Enemy of God, Satan, that they mock and actually hate the doctrine of the Trinity. I have also come to believe that unless a person is chosen by God (and there is no doubt that God does choose, see John 6 and 10) there is no belief in the Trinity, and God is mocked and laughed at - therefore you have Joseph Smith, the Devil's choice to lead his church - calling the Holy Trinity a Monster. I've had Mormons who are totally ignorant of what the Bible teaches follow right in Smith's footsteps. They believe folks that the Christian God is a monster, a three-headed one. Many cults have said the same - but they cannot do so without changing John 1. They twist and alter God's Words to make Jesus LESS THAN GOD HIMSELF.

    Having worked in the field of cult apologetics since the 70's, I can "testify" that the easiest way for a Christian to identify a cult is this: "Who do they say Jesus is?" The Jehovah's Witnesses say that Jesus is "a god," and mistranslate John 1. Christian Scientists say Jesus is a quality, such as Wisdom, or Love. Not the personal Incarnation of a Personal God. God is abstract for Christian Scientists. Universalists/Unitarians believe Jesus was a "good man." And the cult distortions go on and on. But the Mormons are unique. For them Jesus was a spirit baby born to polygamous gods on a planet near Kolob, a star which gives the sun its light, which nobody has yet discovered. He was the first spirit baby born, and he is therefore at the head of a whole bunch of spirit babies, including Satan, who were destined to be born on planet earth. Satan, of course, was denied a body after rebellion, but apparently Mormons still consider him to be some type of god. Jesus, too, supposedly "attained godhood" sometime in his Premortal life without taking a body, which the Mormon cult alleges in needful to "attaining godhood" in the hereafter. But, cults are not very consistent, and can change their beliefs at the drop of a seer stone in a hat.

    For Mormons, therefore, the spirit of Jesus TRANSMIGRATED into a human body created when Elohim, the chief Earth God, impregnated his daughter Mary, another transmigrated spirit who lived in a female body in Nazareth. Elohim used his human reproductive organs to do so, and this was, of course, incestuous. Jesus' body was born of the not so "virgin" Mary in Bethlehem of Judea, and this is what Mormon celebrate at Christmas: TRANSMIGRATION NOT INCARNATION. But consider this, according to the Mormon cult, all of us had "spirits" born of the same polygamous gods, a male God, Elohim and his wives, and are therefore Jesus' spirit brothers and sisters. Jesus, didn't do anything more than we all did - so all humans are basically equal to Jesus. Jesus simply had a different assignment. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, had another assignment. He and Jesus were spirit brothers. And besides this bizarre teaching, remember that Satan was also a spirit born to "heavenly father," Elohim, and one of his celestial wives as well, and Satan is therefore at least a half-brother of Jesus (remember, Elohim is a polygamist god). So, Mormons believe in transmigration of souls-or souls moving from one sphere of being to another. They "migrate." Furthermore, just to be honest, Mormons aren't really known for their expertise in Biblical theology, and one Mormon here has confused the term "Incarnation" with "Reincarnation," which is the rebirth of a soul in another body after death," and then went to great lengths to attempt to prove that reincarnation is a Christian doctrine by quoting (I believe it was old reliable - not - Pew) people who self-identified as Christians as believing in that doctrine. Anybody can say they are a Christian, look at the Mormons for proof! Evangelicals limit that designation to those who have placed their faith in the Biblical Christ. True Christians do not believe in reincarnation which, of course, destroys the meaning of the Atonement of Christ on the Cross.

    Now, let's look at the way Joseph Smith, Mormon founder, distorted John 1 in his bizarre version of the Bible:

    1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made.

    4 In him was the gospel, and the gospel was the life, and the life was the light of men;

    5 And the light shineth in the world, and the world perceiveth it not.


    Does one see how Smith distorted the verses above teaching that the Word of God, Jesus, WAS GOD in the flesh: It does not take a literary genius folks to discern how Joseph Smith twisted the Scriptures in John 1 to eliminate the fact that God has INCARNATED, which means that God the Word took the additional nature of flesh, therefore become both God and Man in the Person of Christ. Notice how Smith's version states, "the Son was OF God." Therefore Smith made his version of Jesus someone other than God, Himself. He simply changed the words of God, bringing himself under a curse: Prov. 30:6 Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. (It's not for nothing that Joseph Smith is called Joey the Liar). (see also Rev. 22:19)

    Now, folks, do you see the Mormon LIE? Christians believe that the birth in Bethlehem of Jesus was the Incarnation ( taking on flesh) of the ONE true God. Mormons believe in some bizarre transmigration of a premortal human spirit into a body prepared by incest between a god and his daughter.

    If you are anything like me, you get sick and tired of the Mormon lies about what they believe (or at least taught in past times) pertaining to doctrine. Their beliefs are always in flux as the internet exposes the hideous Mormon belief system more and more, and Mormons are commanded to cover up the truth of their past. Mormons practice "lying for the Lord" which allows them to do so (Muslims have a similar doctrine). Here is a site recording all the Mormon teachings about the conception of Jesus as taught by Mormons:

    http://www.mrm.org/virgin-birth

    Most Mormons here won't bother looking at the truth about their religion because they are pretty much afraid to do so.

    Christians believe, of course, that Mary conceived Jesus by the action of the Holy Spirit, and never ceased being a Virgin - having sex with no human being in other words in that conception process. That is why Christians call Jesus' birth "the Virgin Birth." Mormons, on the other hand, simply call Jesus' conception "miraculous," and along with Brigham Young, believe it was by a physical sexual act between their physical god, Elohim, and Mary (his daughter in the flesh).

    While the Mormon view is a horrible distortion of the Bible, the Mormons still pretend to be Christians and celebrate the "birth" of the transmigrated brother of Satan, the creature they call Jesus, into this world "in the land of Jerusalem" (according to the Book of Mormon). Mormonism is a huge lie, and those who protect it participate in the deception.












    Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 11-28-18, 10:39 AM.
    Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

  • #2
    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
    Very soon Christians will be celebrating the Incarnation of God in Jesus Christ. Mormons will NOT. Christians believe what the Bible teaches in John 1: "The Word became flesh."

    Let's look at the verses in question:
    John 1:1-14 King James Version (KJV)


    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


    As we can see, the Bible states unequivocally that the WORD WAS GOD. And the Word, God, became flesh. This can only make sense if one believes in the Trinity as taught in the Bible: that God is Father, Son (Word) and Holy Spirit - a Tripersonal Being of One Substance, Power and Glory, manifesting in Three Persons. One Being, Three Persons - and it's a matter of faith to believe this, although our finite minds are too small to grasp the immensity of an Infinite Being Who can be Tripersonal yet Only One. This is the central doctrine of our Christian faith. Without the Word becoming flesh in Jesus Christ, there is no salvation and we are lost in our sins. I've often thought that understanding the Trinity is a sign from God of a person's election to salvation - since it's not an easy belief to wrap one's mind around. And we see that all cults, Mormonism included, are so under the influence of the Enemy of God, Satan, that they mock and actually hate the doctrine of the Trinity. I have also come to believe that unless a person is chosen by God (and there is no doubt that God does choose, see John 6 and 10) there is no belief in the Trinity, and God is mocked and laughed at - therefore you have Joseph Smith, the Devil's choice to lead his church - calling the Holy Trinity a Monster. I've had Mormons who are totally ignorant of what the Bible teaches follow right in Smith's footsteps. They believe folks that the Christian God is a monster, a three-headed one. Many cults have said the same - but they cannot do so without changing John 1. They twist and alter God's Words to make Jesus LESS THAN GOD HIMSELF.

    Having worked in the field of cult apologetics since the 70's, I can "testify" that the easiest way for a Christian to identify a cult is this: "Who do they say Jesus is?" The Jehovah's Witnesses say that Jesus is "a god," and mistranslate John 1. Christian Scientists say Jesus is a quality, such as Wisdom, or Love. Not the personal Incarnation of a Personal God. God is abstract for Christian Scientists. Universalists/Unitarians believe Jesus was a "good man." And the cult distortions go on and on. But the Mormons are unique. For them Jesus was a spirit baby born to polygamous gods on a planet near Kolob, a star which gives the sun its light, which nobody has yet discovered. He was the first spirit baby born, and he is therefore at the head of a whole bunch of spirit babies, including Satan, who were destined to be born on planet earth. Satan, of course, was denied a body after rebellion, but apparently Mormons still consider him to be some type of god. Jesus, too, supposedly "attained godhood" sometime in his Premortal life without taking a body, which the Mormon cult alleges in needful to "attaining godhood" in the hereafter. But, cults are not very consistent, and can change their beliefs at the drop of a seer stone in a hat.

    For Mormons, therefore, the spirit of Jesus TRANSMIGRATED into a human body created when Elohim, the chief Earth God, impregnated his daughter Mary, another transmigrated spirit who lived in a female body in Nazareth. Elohim used his human reproductive organs to do so, and this was, of course, incestuous. Jesus' body was born of the not so "virgin" Mary in Bethlehem of Judea, and this is what Mormon celebrate at Christmas: TRANSMIGRATION NOT INCARNATION. But consider this, according to the Mormon cult, all of us had "spirits" born of the same polygamous gods, a male God, Elohim and his wives, and are therefore Jesus' spirit brothers and sisters. Jesus, didn't do anything more than we all did - so all humans are basically equal to Jesus. Jesus simply had a different assignment. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, had another assignment. He and Jesus were spirit brothers. And besides this bizarre teaching, remember that Satan was also a spirit born to "heavenly father," Elohim, and one of his celestial wives as well, and Satan is therefore at least a half-brother of Jesus (remember, Elohim is a polygamist god). So, Mormons believe in transmigration of souls-or souls moving from one sphere of being to another. They "migrate." Furthermore, just to be honest, Mormons aren't really known for their expertise in Biblical theology, and one Mormon here has confused the term "Incarnation" with "Reincarnation," which is the rebirth of a soul in another body after death," and then went to great lengths to attempt to prove that reincarnation is a Christian doctrine by quoting (I believe it was old reliable - not - Pew) people who self-identified as Christians as believing in that doctrine. Anybody can say they are a Christian, look at the Mormons for proof! Evangelicals limit that designation to those who have placed their faith in the Biblical Christ. True Christians do not believe in reincarnation which, of course, destroys the meaning of the Atonement of Christ on the Cross.

    Now, let's look at the way Joseph Smith, Mormon founder, distorted John 1 in his bizarre version of the Bible:

    1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made.

    4 In him was the gospel, and the gospel was the life, and the life was the light of men;

    5 And the light shineth in the world, and the world perceiveth it not.


    Does one see how Smith distorted the verses above teaching that the Word of God, Jesus, WAS GOD in the flesh: It does not take a literary genius folks to discern how Joseph Smith twisted the Scriptures in John 1 to eliminate the fact that God has INCARNATED, which means that God the Word took the additional nature of flesh, therefore become both God and Man in the Person of Christ. Notice how Smith's version states, "the Son was OF God." Therefore Smith made his version of Jesus someone other than God, Himself. He simply changed the words of God, bringing himself under a curse: Prov. 30:6 Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. (It's not for nothing that Joseph Smith is called Joey the Liar). (see also Rev. 22:19)

    Now, folks, do you see the Mormon LIE? Christians believe that the birth in Bethlehem of Jesus was the Incarnation ( taking on flesh) of the ONE true God. Mormons believe in some bizarre transmigration of a premortal human spirit into a body prepared by incest between a god and his daughter.

    If you are anything like me, you get sick and tired of the Mormon lies about what they believe (or at least taught in past times) pertaining to doctrine. Their beliefs are always in flux as the internet exposes the hideous Mormon belief system more and more, and Mormons are commanded to cover up the truth of their past. Mormons practice "lying for the Lord" which allows them to do so (Muslims have a similar doctrine). Here is a site recording all the Mormon teachings about the conception of Jesus as taught by Mormons:

    http://www.mrm.org/virgin-birth

    Most Mormons here won't bother looking at the truth about their religion because they are pretty much afraid to do so.

    Christians believe, of course, that Mary conceived Jesus by the action of the Holy Spirit, and never ceased being a Virgin - having sex with no human being in other words in that conception process. That is why Christians call Jesus' birth "the Virgin Birth." Mormons, on the other hand, simply call Jesus' conception "miraculous," and along with Brigham Young, believe it was by a physical sexual act between their physical god, Elohim, and Mary (his daughter in the flesh).

    While the Mormon view is a horrible distortion of the Bible, the Mormons still pretend to be Christians and celebrate the "birth" of the transmigrated brother of Satan, the creature they call Jesus, into this world "in the land of Jerusalem" (according to the Book of Mormon). Mormonism is a huge lie, and those who protect it participate in the deception.












    In John 1:1-2 we read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." ... [T]he first and third "God" in this passage comes from Greek Ho Theos - the God - while the second occurrence was simply Theos. So this could be rendered, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with The God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with The God."

    Review of Books, Vol. 11, No. 1, 1999, p. 139):
    <<<<<>>>>>
    A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Proverbs

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ralf View Post




      <<<<<>>>>>
      That's the same uninformed excuse the Arian Jehovah's Witnesses use. is that who you wan to emulate; 'Review of Books' tells us nothing. Who publishes that? is it Mormon or JW? Futhermore you ain't no Koine Greek expert are you? Because you must have overlooked this:

      "Interpretive

      In general, the New Testament text refers to the Christian God when the Greek article appears with the word “god” (that is, such a construction does not merely mean “divine” or “godlike”). We say “in general,” because this does not always hold true. For example, “God” in Romans 8:33 refers to the Christian God, even though it lacks the article in Greek: “It is God who justifies.” Conversely, in Philippians 3:19, “god” has the Greek article, though it does not refer to the Christian God: “their god is the belly.”"

      Read that over it's from CRI and Hanagraaf does know Greek.



      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

        That's the same uninformed excuse the Arian Jehovah's Witnesses use. is that who you wan to emulate; 'Review of Books' tells us nothing. Who publishes that? is it Mormon or JW? Futhermore you ain't no Koine Greek expert are you? Because you must have overlooked this:

        "Interpretive

        In general, the New Testament text refers to the Christian God when the Greek article appears with the word “god” (that is, such a construction does not merely mean “divine” or “godlike”). We say “in general,” because this does not always hold true. For example, “God” in Romans 8:33 refers to the Christian God, even though it lacks the article in Greek: “It is God who justifies.” Conversely, in Philippians 3:19, “god” has the Greek article, though it does not refer to the Christian God: “their god is the belly.”"

        Read that over it's from CRI and Hanagraaf does know Greek.


        Well Mormons?
        Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

          Well Mormons?
          Well, what? You’re a trinitarian. We’re not.

          in your OP you present a theology that isn’t ours. I’m not interested in discussing or defending a theology that we don’t hold.

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          • #6


            Originally posted by JustaLurker View Post

            Well, what? You’re a trinitarian. We’re not.

            in your OP you present a theology that isn’t ours. I’m not interested in discussing or defending a theology that we don’t hold.




            Therefore, you don't believe in the Incarnation, the Word becoming flesh right?" Why do you even bother with Christmas then?Jesus' birthday, then was nothing special. Just another spirit baby of Elohim transferring to a host body. Transmigration. Again the Momrons try to appear as Christians while believing a classically Hindu doctrine.

            Unless you Mormons come to believe that Jesus is the I AM y'all wil die in your sins.
            Last edited by Catherine Aurelia; 11-29-18, 05:18 PM.
            Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post







              Therefore, you don't believe in the Incarnation, the Word becoming flesh right?" Why do you even bother with Christmas then?Jesus' birthday, then was nothing special. Just another spirit baby of Elohim transferring to a host body. Transmigration. Again the Momrons try to appear as Christians while believing a classically Hindu doctrine.

              Unless you Mormons come to believe that Jesus is the I AM y'all wil die in your sins.
              Except, Jesus is supposedly "special" in Mormonism because God the father directly begot him, physically, in his own spirit daughter's fleshly body. No transference of spirit to body,as with the rest of us, supposedly.
              "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
              "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
              "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
              "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
              "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bonnie View Post
                Except, Jesus is supposedly "special" in Mormonism because God the father directly begot him, physically,
                I believe that is what the scriptures testify to:

                John 1:14 ---King James Version (KJV)
                14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

                in his own spirit daughter's fleshly body.
                If God the Father was not the Father of Mary's spirit--could you reveal to us who was the father of her spirit?

                Hebrews 12:9 ---King James Version (KJV)
                9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

                So--is that some spirits--or all spirits?

                No transference of spirit to body,as with the rest of us, supposedly.
                What is your evidence of that? The very Spirit of the OT God--was inside of the physical body of the man Jesus Christ.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

                  I believe that is what the scriptures testify to:

                  John 1:14 ---King James Version (KJV)
                  14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



                  If God the Father was not the Father of Mary's spirit--could you reveal to us who was the father of her spirit?

                  Hebrews 12:9 ---King James Version (KJV)
                  9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

                  So--is that some spirits--or all spirits?



                  What is your evidence of that? The very Spirit of the OT God--was inside of the physical body of the man Jesus Christ.
                  So you believe that Elohim, an exalted man-god from another planet actually had sex with Mary to produce Jesus' body. Thanks for admitting that, since the other Mormons here have cringed when we bring that up. All kinds of excuses. However, none of those verses prove that, and "father" is often used as a title, not necessarily as pertaining to physical sex. But the Mormons are unable to understand metaphors. Ford was the "father" of the auto industry. Did he have sexual relations with a Chevy? Isn't this what got Mormons in trouble here in the first place when you claimed Satan was a real true and powerful god which was later refuted by FAIR? Metaphor isn't part of the BYU curriculum?

                  Our God CREATES our spirits WITHIN US as the Bible teaches -not by physical relations with some kind of spirit nymph called "heavenly mother." Mormons need to mature in their thinking. This is what happens when you get your theology from a backwoods witch who dug for treasure.
                  Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post I believe that is what the scriptures testify to:

                    John 1:14 ---King James Version (KJV)
                    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

                    If God the Father was not the Father of Mary's spirit--could you reveal to us who was the father of her spirit?

                    Hebrews 12:9 ---King James Version (KJV)
                    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

                    So--is that some spirits--or all spirits?

                    What is your evidence of that? The very Spirit of the OT God--was inside of the physical body of the man Jesus Christ.
                    Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
                    So you believe that Elohim, an exalted man-god from another planet actually had sex with Mary to produce Jesus' body.
                    Could you kindly point out anything in my post which you feel confirms that?

                    But the Mormons are unable to understand metaphors.
                    I don't believe the explicit term "offspring"--is a metaphor:

                    Acts 17:29--King James Version (KJV)
                    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.








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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post



                      Could you kindly point out anything in my post which you feel confirms that?



                      I don't believe the explicit term "offspring"--is a metaphor:

                      Acts 17:29--King James Version (KJV)
                      29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.







                      Sure it is, just as "father" is. In any case, buy yourself a commentary before you keep posting the same verses over and over again since Paul is quoting a poet. Your problem, which I see in a lot of Mormons, is taking verses totally out of context and isolating them from the rest of the Bible. The Bible clearly states that Jesus in THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God. And that is referring to the eternal generation of the Word. Where does Paul really teach anywhere that gods have sex, or that Jesus is the same as, say, Satan, and was procreated by an exalted guy from another planet, named Elohim and one of his many wives? That's jumping to a huge OCCULT conclusion. We are creations of God, thus his "offspring" within that context, not a sexual context. Why do Mormons always reduce everything to sex? Maybe it's because the Witch from Palmyra did!!! What with his 43 wives.Furthermore, if Jesus is the Creator of ALL things in heaven, earth and under the earth, did He create his own spirit mother? Mormons need to think their occult beliefs through before bowing to a Witch's teaching. I won't be responding to your attempt to switch this thread to Christianity until YOU decide to comment on Mormonism. Christianity is not on trial here, but your cult and its bizarre teachings.
                      Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post Could you kindly point out anything in my post which you feel confirms that?

                        I don't believe the explicit term "offspring"--is a metaphor:

                        Acts 17:29--King James Version (KJV)
                        29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

                        Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
                        Sure it is, just as "father" is. In
                        So--you believe the "fathers" here are metaphors?

                        Hebrews 12:9 ---King James Version (KJV)
                        9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post




                          So--you believe the "fathers" here are metaphors?

                          Hebrews 12:9 ---King James Version (KJV)
                          9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
                          Again, taken out of context and having nothing to do with sexual procreation. Show us how the BOOK OF MOMRON teaches what your cult states.
                          Christian scholar John MacArthur about Mormonism: “Mormonism is wrong in epic proportions.”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post So--you believe the "fathers" here are metaphors?

                            Hebrews 12:9 ---King James Version (KJV)
                            9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
                            Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post
                            Again, taken out of context ...
                            That's the standard claim of those whose theology is violated by the witness of the scriptures.

                            Please read the context--"had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"

                            That's a contextual setting--"fathers of our flesh"--"Father of spirits". Neither a metaphor--as both are a reality.

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                              Originally posted by Catherine Aurelia View Post

                              That's the same uninformed excuse the Arian Jehovah's Witnesses use. is that who you wan to emulate; 'Review of Books' tells us nothing. Who publishes that? is it Mormon or JW? Futhermore you ain't no Koine Greek expert are you? Because you must have overlooked this:

                              "Interpretive

                              In general, the New Testament text refers to the Christian God when the Greek article appears with the word “god” (that is, such a construction does not merely mean “divine” or “godlike”). We say “in general,” because this does not always hold true. For example, “God” in Romans 8:33 refers to the Christian God, even though it lacks the article in Greek: “It is God who justifies.” Conversely, in Philippians 3:19, “god” has the Greek article, though it does not refer to the Christian God: “their god is the belly.”"

                              Read that over it's from CRI and Hanagraaf does know Greek.


                              Hanagraaf? Rofl
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