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  • Originally posted by mesenja View Post

    Your God is a monster. Your God creates disposable people without any hope. He does not love the world since he purposely offers no plan and has no intention of saving everyone. This God not only allows,but sovereignly ordains,every war and every abortion and every rape of a child. Why? He finds delight and glory in this perverted idea of sovereignty. No this shows that you’re God is weak because your God cannot foresee or have an answer for every circumstance.
    Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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    • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
      You use hope like I do at a baseball game when I HOPE my teams batter will hit a homerun. Is that the best you can do is "hope" you're going to be saved?
      No I have confidence and fully persuaded that God who began doing a good work in me,will continue until it is perfected when Jesus Christ comes again.
      Last edited by mesenja; 02-21-19, 07:14 PM.
      Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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      • Hebrews 6:4-6 Expanded Bible (EXB)



        4 For it is impossible to ·bring back again to a changed life [renew again to repentance]those who were once ·in God’s light [enlightened],and enjoyed [experienced;tasted] ·heaven’s gift [or the heavenly gift;perhaps the gift of salvation],and shared in [partook of] the Holy Spirit.

        5 They found out [tasted] how good God’s word is,and they received [tasted] the ·powers [miracles] of his new world [the coming age/world].

        6 If they have fallen away [committed apostasy],it is impossible to ·bring them back to a changed life again [renew them again to repentance],,because they are nailing the Son of God to a cross again and are ·shaming him in front of others [making a public disgrace/exhibition of him].


        Hebrews 10:10 Expanded Bible (EXB)

        10 And because of this [by God’s will/desire/intention],we are made holy [sanctified;set apart to God] through the sacrifice Christ made in his body once and for all time [once for all;7:27;9:12,26).

        Hebrews 10:19 Expanded Bible (EXB)

        Continue to Trust God


        19 So,brothers and sisters, we are completely free [since we have confidence…;this “since” clause continues through v. 22 to enter the Most Holy Place [sanctuary;holy things;Holy of Holies] without fear because of [or by means of] the blood of Jesus’ death.


        Last edited by mesenja; 02-21-19, 07:13 PM.
        Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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        • Based on the Greek text,the latter part of the above sentence can be translated ”by whom you were sealed FOR the day of redemption”. The preposition ”for” is a translation from the Greek word εἰς (eis Strong’s 1519) and apart from ”for” it can mean into,in,among and till. The text does not say ”sealed and saved unconditionally all the way UNTIL the day of redemption no matter the conduct”. “Were sealed” in the verse,is a translation from ἐσφραγίσθητε (esphragisthēte,Strong’s 4972).

          [Sealed UNTO the day of redemption,but a seal can be broken Ephesians 4:30 Bjork Bloggen]


          Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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          • Hebrews 10:29 Expanded Bible (EXB)


            29 So how much worse punishment do you think is deserved by those who do not respect [trample on;show contempt
            for] the Son of God,who look at the blood of the agreement that made them holy as no different from others’ blood [profane/treat as unholy/common the blood of the covenant],who insult the Spirit of God’s grace?
            Last edited by mesenja; 02-21-19, 09:08 PM.
            Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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            • Originally posted by mesenja View Post

              Your God is a monster. Your God creates disposable people without any hope. He does not love the world since he purposely offers no plan or has no intention of saving everyone. God not only allows, but sovereignly ordains,every war and every abortion and every rape of a child. Why? He finds delight and find glory in this perverted idea of sovereignty. No this shows that you’re God is weak because your God cannot foresee or have an answer for every circumstance.
              Your God is the monster...who creates people with NO hope at all. No one can live up to the perfection mormonism calls for. That's the problem with your fake legalistic faith.

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              • Originally posted by mesenja View Post

                No I have confidence and fully persuaded that God who began doing a good work in me,will continue until it is perfected when Jesus Christ comes again.
                You don't even know if your saved. In fact mormonsim can't save you.

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                • Originally posted by mesenja View Post
                  Based on the Greek text,the latter part of the above sentence can be translated ”by whom you were sealed FOR the day of redemption”. The preposition ”for” is a translation from the Greek word εἰς (eis Strong’s 1519) and apart from ”for” it can mean into,in,among and till. The text does not say ”sealed and saved unconditionally all the way UNTIL the day of redemption no matter the conduct”. “Were sealed” in the verse,is a translation from ἐσφραγίσθητε (esphragisthēte,Strong’s 4972).

                  [Sealed UNTO the day of redemption,but a seal can be broken Ephesians 4:30 Bjork Bloggen]

                  So what? Believers are sealed. They can't lose their salvation. Plain and simple as that.

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                  • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
                    So what? Believers are sealed. They can't lose their salvation. Plain and simple as that.
                    Greek grammar and scripture expose this heresy. But if you want to ignore all the evidence then be my guest

                    Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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                    • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
                      Your God is the monster...who creates people with NO hope at all. No one can live up to the perfection Mormonism calls for. That's the problem with your fake legalistic faith.
                      I see you are still are using this same tired strawman argument. Yawn. I guess it’s due to the fact that you can’t make any valid argument against what we actually believe in. And you haven’t explained why my characterization of your current concepts of God are wrong. Why this doesn’t make this God a monster. I wonder why that is?
                      Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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                      • Originally posted by mesenja View Post

                        Greek grammar and scripture expose this heresy. But if you want to ignore all the evidence then be my guest
                        Sorry, I fail to see your twist. Here's more evidence.

                        Eph 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

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                        • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
                          You don't even know if your saved. In fact Mormonism can't save you.
                          .

                          How do you know that you’re one of God‘s elect and are chosen for salvation?

                          Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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                          • Originally posted by mesenja View Post
                            .

                            How do you know that you’re one of God‘s elect and are chosen for salvation?
                            Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

                            1 John 5 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

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                            • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                              Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,

                              4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world,that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love

                              5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ,according to the purpose of his will,

                              6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

                              7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

                              8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight

                              9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ

                              10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him,things in heaven and things on earth.

                              1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

                              14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us.

                              15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask,we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.


                              So if you attain this assurance,and then subsequently "fall away",does that disprove your assumptions or does it mean you were mistaken as to your salvational status?

                              And if only God knows who the "elect" are and there is always a possibility that one can "fall away",proving that you were never really saved to begin with,then you really don’t know with any final certainty do you?






                              Last edited by mesenja; 02-22-19, 02:08 PM.
                              Heaven goes by favor;if it went by merit,you would stay out and your dog would go in. ~ Mark Twain

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                              • Originally posted by mesenja View Post

                                What is an excellent answer?
                                No need to repeat it!

                                God bless you,

                                SeventhDay

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