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Dr. Alister McGrath: Trinitarian (Will you listen to him at least?)

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  • Dr. Alister McGrath: Trinitarian (Will you listen to him at least?)

    Dr. McGrath is a well-known and renowned Trinitarian.

    But listen to how he explains the Trinity, which is PRECISELY how I explain the Trinity--and yet no one would dare accuse him of being in the Oneness cult:
    Dr. McGrath ends with this commentary:

    “We can now see why Christians talk about God being a ‘three-in-one’. One difficulty remains, however, which must be considered. How can God be three persons and one person at the same time? This brings us to an important point which is often not fully understood. The following is a simplified account of the idea of ‘person’ which may be helpful, although the reader must appreciate that simplifications are potentially dangerous. The word ‘person’ has changed its meaning since the third century when it began to bed used in connection with the ‘threefoldness of God’. When we talk about God as a person, we naturally think of God as being one person. But theologians such as Tertullian, writing in the third century, used the word ‘person’ with a different meaning. The word ‘person’ originally derives from the Latin word persona, meaning an actor’s face-mask – and, by extension, the role which he takes in a play.

    “By stating that there were three persons but only one God, Tertullian was asserting that all three major roles in the great drama of human redemption are played by the one and the same God. The three great roles in this drama are all played by the same actor: God. Each of these roles may reveal God in a somewhat different way, but it is the same God in every case. So when we talk about God as one person, we mean one person in the modern sense of the word, and when we talk about God as three persons, we mean three persons in the ancient sense of the word. It is God, and God alone, who masterminded and executes the great plan of salvation, culminating in Jesus Christ. It is he who is present and active at every stage of its long history. Confusing these two senses of the word ‘person’ inevitably leads to the idea the God is actually a committee, which, as we saw earlier, is a thoroughly unhelpful and confusing way of thinking about God.”

    One certainly could not accuse Dr. McGrath of being a tritheist. On the other hand, despite his denial on the back cover of the book that he entertains the heretical notion of modalism, he’s on shaky ground there, being right on the edge or over it according to his own words.
    This is exactly as I believe! But all that other crud on the page I showed in the other thread about people requiring speaking in tongues for Salvation, or only being baptized in Jesus name, and not the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, or taking up serpents or drinking poison DO NOT APPLY TO ME and are quite offensive to group me in with these type of people.

    I am a Trinitarian just like Alister McGrath!

    Look at the church I attend's statement of faith: _OUR BELIEFS


    We believe in one eternal God who is the Creator of all things. He exists in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit (commonly known as the doctrine of the Trinity). He is totally loving and completely holy.


    We believe that sin, ushered in through Man’s choice, has separated each of us from God and His purpose for our lives.


    We believe every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God through Jesus Christ. He is the Only Way to Eternal Salvation and who, as both God and man, is the only One who can reconcile us to God. He lived a sinless and exemplary life, died on the cross in our place, and rose from death to prove His victory, His supremacy, and empower us for life and purpose.


    We believe that in order to receive forgiveness and experience ‘new birth’ we must repent of our sins, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and submit to His will for our lives


    We believe in one eternal God who is the Creator of all things. He exists in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit (commonly known as the doctrine of the Trinity). He is totally loving and completely holy.


    We believe complete justification occurs at Salvation and that sanctification, which begins at the time of salvation, is not only a declaration that a believer is holy, but also a progressive lifelong process of becoming holy as believers continually draw closer to God and become more Christlike.


    We believe in water baptism by immersion


    We believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation.


    We believe that baptism in the Holy Spirit is an experience following salvation that empowers believers and enables them to use spiritual gifts–including prophecy and the speaking of tongues–for the purposes of unity among the Body of Christ, the salvation of the lost, and the discipling of the nations


    We believe in the power and significance of the Church and the necessity of believers to meet regularly together for fellowship, prayer and the ‘breaking of bread’.


    We believe the Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin and engage in the discipling of nations and the advancement of God’s kingdom through the transformation of hearts, families, cities, and nations.


    We believe the five offices of ministry, as outlined in Ephesians 4:11–namely, Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors (or “shepherds”) and Teachers–remain active and valid offices in the contemporary Christian Church.


    We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is coming back again as He promised.


    Did you see anything in there that agrees with Modality or the Oneness teaching? Anything about snakes or poisons? Anything about holiness doctrines? Length of women's hair, or that they wear dresses?
    "In faith, there is enough light for those who want to believe, and enough shadows to blind those who don't." -Blaise Pascal