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Neal...how is Jesus "the first and the last" in the SAME sense as His Father?

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  • #31
    Originally posted by nothead View Post

    The LORD said to my Lord...two L(l)ords and one is God.

    You can be sure that the Lord God (Jesus the Logos made flesh)) is not stating that there is two Lord Gods and you can be sure that God is in roles as the Father and the Son or there would be no Father in the Son and Son in the Father as a unified one.

    Thus, when we speak of Jesus in the role of the Son he is begotten of the Father and worships the Father!

    However, Jesus is also in the role of the Father because the Logos made flesh does not just entail the Son but the Father in relationship with the Son.

    That is how we should always see Jesus as the Father and the Son then there is no conflict with the scriptures whatsoever!

    Jesus is Yah is our salvation and our Yahuah therefore he must be the Father and the Son and because God is one person in relationship roles.

    God bless you,

    SeventhDay

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    • #32
      Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

      You can be sure that the Lord God (Jesus the Logos made flesh)) is not stating that there is two Lord Gods and you can be sure that God is in roles as the Father and the Son or there would be no Father in the Son and Son in the Father as a unified one.

      Thus, when we speak of Jesus in the role of the Son he is begotten of the Father and worships the Father!

      However, Jesus is also in the role of the Father because the Logos made flesh does not just entail the Son but the Father in relationship with the Son.

      That is how we should always see Jesus as the Father and the Son then there is no conflict with the scriptures whatsoever!

      Jesus is Yah is our salvation and our Yahuah therefore he must be the Father and the Son and because God is one person in relationship roles.

      God bless you,

      SeventhDay
      Yah you full of yah but that don't mean yah r Gd sir. Eli Manning ain't either. Etymology of a name don't mean squat for the arguably fifth most common name in the day.

      Roles don't work as well as the olde OnePent "manifestations of Godhead," sir. Emanations. And this too is wrong, not supported by the Text.
      Shema will change the Christian World.

      Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

      Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by nothead View Post

        Yah you full of yah but that don't mean yah r Gd sir. Eli Manning ain't either. Etymology of a name don't mean squat for the arguably fifth most common name in the day.

        Roles don't work as well as the olde OnePent "manifestations of Godhead," sir. Emanations. And this too is wrong, not supported by the Text.
        Who said it is emanations?

        God bless you,

        SeventhDay

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        • #34
          Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

          Who said it is emanations?

          God bless you,

          SeventhDay
          Emanations is really the OnePent idea of modalism. Manifestations not so much of ROLES buttof MANIFESTATIONS beavis.
          Shema will change the Christian World.

          Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

          Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by nothead View Post

            Emanations is really the OnePent idea of modalism. Manifestations not so much of ROLES buttof MANIFESTATIONS beavis.
            Well, we want to understand scriptures the way they present themselves. Right?

            God bless you,

            SeventhDay

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            • #36
              Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

              Well, we want to understand scriptures the way they present themselves. Right?

              God bless you,

              SeventhDay
              What in the heck implies ROLES in scripture of God for YOU sir?

              Seems like last month I challenged you with this same question. And you would not answer. I waited for DAYS sir. How long does a man have to WAIT sir?
              Shema will change the Christian World.

              Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

              Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by nothead View Post

                What in the heck implies ROLES in scripture of God for YOU sir?

                Seems like last month I challenged you with this same question. And you would not answer. I waited for DAYS sir. How long does a man have to WAIT sir?
                God does not change does he?

                However, God brought to us a Son did he not?

                How does God describe it in John 1:14?

                Is only the begotten Son mentioned or the Father as well?

                How then in what way was the Logos made flesh?

                Was it the logos becoming flesh by becoming a person or by God taking on a role as a human servant begotten by God?

                God took on the form of a human servant and if he did not then how is the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father when the Son came into the world. How was that accomplished?

                Now, if the Son of God begotten by the Father is a role then so is the Father a role.

                There you go!

                God bless you,

                SeventhDay

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

                  God does not change does he?

                  However, God brought to us a Son did he not?

                  How does God describe it in John 1:14?

                  Is only the begotten Son mentioned or the Father as well?

                  How then in what way was the Logos made flesh?

                  Was it the logos becoming flesh by becoming a person or by God taking on a role as a human servant begotten by God?

                  God took on the form of a human servant and if he did not then how is the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father when the Son came into the world. How was that accomplished?

                  Now, if the Son of God begotten by the Father is a role then so is the Father a role.

                  There you go!

                  God bless you,

                  SeventhDay
                  As on the Trin forum sir, you completely HOGSWAGGLED the Prologue. GOD did not INCARNATE.

                  God created and MADE Christ Jesus. The Word "JESUS" spoken forth manifested Jesus in flesh.

                  What ROLES got to do with EDIT INSULT
                  Last edited by Mod8; 08-26-18, 08:07 PM.
                  Shema will change the Christian World.

                  Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

                  Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by nothead View Post

                    As on the Trin forum sir, you completely HOGSWAGGLED the Prologue. GOD did not INCARNATE.

                    God created and MADE Christ Jesus. The Word "JESUS" spoken forth manifested Jesus in flesh.

                    What ROLES got to do with edited
                    Yes, God created the Son is scriptural therefore you have one correct answer. You can do better!

                    God bless you,

                    SeventhDay
                    Last edited by Mod8; 08-27-18, 12:25 AM. Reason: quote

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by nothead

                      How can that be if he stands or sits NEXT to God in heaven sir? At His Right HAND sir?

                      You obviously miss the most OBVIOUS things sir Neal sir. Should we treat you as the POPE sir?

                      Retard popes are not the norm sir.
                      God in roles of the Father and the Son has the Son sitting beside the Father but if you are seeing two persons then perhaps you need new glasses!

                      Jesus is the one Lord God who is one person so do not look for persons because you will not find any!

                      God bless you,

                      SeventhDay

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

                        God in roles of the Father and the Son has the Son sitting beside the Father but if you are seeing two persons then perhaps you need new glasses!

                        Jesus is the one Lord God who is one person so do not look for persons because you will not find any!

                        God bless you,

                        SeventhDay
                        Ah yezz...the ROLE of Him is sitting next to Him. THAT makes sense, SENSEI. I bow DOWN to you and GROVEL sirl. Like I would a beautiful GIRL sirl.
                        Shema will change the Christian World.

                        Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

                        Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by nothead View Post

                          Ah yezz...the ROLE of Him is sitting next to Him. THAT makes sense, SENSEI. I bow DOWN to you and GROVEL sirl. Like I would a beautiful GIRL sirl.
                          God is showing us how through a human mediator and human sacrificial offering how God in roles is reconciling humanity back to God.

                          God appeared to us in immanence and in transcendence as the Father and the Son!

                          God bless you,

                          Seventhday

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Neal View Post

                            You said, "you are aware that it is said of God the Father in Rev. 1:4, "and who is coming," right?"

                            Yes indeed. Jesus is God the Father coming to us.
                            Actually, after further study, it seems more likely that the title "who is and who was and who is to come" in Rev 1:4, 1:8 & 4:8 should probably be understood as a reference to God the Father's eternalness, and not referring to His Advent.

                            from God, who is and who was and who is to come (v. 4c). The grace and peace that John conveys has three sources. The first is “him who is and who was and who is to come”—God the Father. It seems ironic that John would use three measures of time (“was,” “is,” and “is to come”) to define the one who is eternal—beyond time. However, this threefold measure helps us to visualize the extraordinary scope of the Father’s eternal nature.

                            https://www.sermonwriter.com/biblica...velation-14-8/

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by forever4truth View Post
                              “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
                              And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
                              ‘I am the First and I am the Last;
                              Besides Me there is no God.​​​​​​" (Isa 44:6, NKJV)

                              17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death" (Rev. 1:17-18, NKJV)
                              By his Divine Nature.
                              Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

                                God is showing us how through a human mediator and human sacrificial offering how God in roles is reconciling humanity back to God.

                                God appeared to us in immanence and in transcendence as the Father and the Son!

                                God bless you,

                                Seventhday
                                Not literally. Jesus appears to us as God's Representative, Shaliach, Messiah, Advocate, Agent, Right Hand Man.

                                You seem to be off in more ways than one. I am not your psychiatrist sir. Don't ask me the myriad ways.
                                Shema will change the Christian World.

                                Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

                                Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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