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The Logos as the Divine Expression

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  • #31
    Originally posted by TibiasDad View Post

    Then how can you argue your position if you can properly understand either language?



    But it is a belief in unicorns, for there is no credible evidence to support your belief; just a twisted, narrow, definition of a single word (one) about the most complex and indescribable being in existence, namely God. If God was trying to say that he was the only person who is God, he would have said I am the only one who is God, but he didn't, he said "the Lord your God is one", not the only person, but one in unity of essence. It is not one is God, but God is one.






    Here is the grammar issue again. "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." (John 17:5) παρὰ σεαυτῷ , with you, or in your presence, corresponds to the πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, with God, of John 1:1. But the John 17:5 is even stronger in its sense of spacial proximity one one person to another. It can mean nothing else.


    Doug
    Two roles of God are very close together!

    God is one Lord means exactly what it says without putting a spin on it.

    No where in the scriptures is God presented as three selves which is a trinity invention!

    God bless you,

    SeventhDay

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    • #32
      Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

      Two roles of God are very close together!

      God is one Lord means exactly what it says without putting a spin on it.

      No where in the scriptures is God presented as three selves which is a trinity invention!

      God bless you,

      SeventhDay
      You present no scripture, or even lexical evidence in support of your response, and you do not even try to refute or falsify the biblical and lexical evidence that I give for my reasoning. All three persons of the Trinity are called God in scripture. And again, one Lord doesnít mean only one person is Lord. And God doesnít talk to himself as different character roles. That is not even close to common sense, much less a biblical teaching.


      Doug
      Dare to be Gracious

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      • #33
        Originally posted by TibiasDad View Post

        You present no scripture, or even lexical evidence in support of your response, and you do not even try to refute or falsify the biblical and lexical evidence that I give for my reasoning. All three persons of the Trinity are called God in scripture. And again, one Lord doesnít mean only one person is Lord. And God doesnít talk to himself as different character roles. That is not even close to common sense, much less a biblical teaching.


        Doug
        God has roles because the Logos was made flesh for the benefit of humanity to be part of the God family as spiritual sons and daughters with Jesus being "the first born from the dead." God did not become another person but God took on the form of a human servant thus God was in two roles of himself.

        Simple to understand is it not?

        God bless you,

        SeventhDay

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        • #34
          Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

          God has roles because the Logos was made flesh for the benefit of humanity to be part of the God family as spiritual sons and daughters with Jesus being "the first born from the dead." God did not become another person but God took on the form of a human servant thus God was in two roles of himself.

          Simple to understand is it not?

          God bless you,

          SeventhDay
          Again, you haven't dealt with the evidence, nor explained the obvious scriptural statements that place the Father and Son in the same circumstance acting independently of one another. God becoming flesh is much easier, or should I say more simply, explained and understood as two distinct individuals, but you refuse to acknowledge the simple facts of reality, such as Jesus praying to the Father who was in heaven. If there is but one actual person, then Jesus is lying by saying the the Father is in heaven, and he is merely talking to himself, asking "not my will but mine be done"; is is a preposterous and laughable thing to believe such a thing.


          Doug
          Dare to be Gracious

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TibiasDad View Post

            Again, you haven't dealt with the evidence, nor explained the obvious scriptural statements that place the Father and Son in the same circumstance acting independently of one another. God becoming flesh is much easier, or should I say more simply, explained and understood as two distinct individuals, but you refuse to acknowledge the simple facts of reality, such as Jesus praying to the Father who was in heaven. If there is but one actual person, then Jesus is lying by saying the the Father is in heaven, and he is merely talking to himself, asking "not my will but mine be done"; is is a preposterous and laughable thing to believe such a thing.


            Doug
            Doug, I had to move this discussion to the Trinity forum because SeventhDay said he can't post on this forum. It has the same thread title on the Trinity forum.


            Holly
            Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heartís desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about Godís righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by HollyWood View Post

              Doug, I had to move this discussion to the Trinity forum because SeventhDay said he can't post on this forum. It has the same thread title on the Trinity forum.


              Holly
              Okay...see you there!

              Doug
              Dare to be Gracious

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              • #37
                Originally posted by TibiasDad View Post

                Again, you haven't dealt with the evidence, nor explained the obvious scriptural statements that place the Father and Son in the same circumstance acting independently of one another. God becoming flesh is much easier, or should I say more simply, explained and understood as two distinct individuals, but you refuse to acknowledge the simple facts of reality, such as Jesus praying to the Father who was in heaven. If there is but one actual person, then Jesus is lying by saying the the Father is in heaven, and he is merely talking to himself, asking "not my will but mine be done"; is is a preposterous and laughable thing to believe such a thing.


                Doug
                Can not discuss this with you on this forum.

                God bless you,

                SeventhDay

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